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golden 06-21-2020 06:21 AM

Martin Luther King peacefully led protests about civil rights. There were protests against the Vietnam War, mostly peaceful. What cause is McGinty and others of his ilk protesting--the election of a President? What McGinty and others do is not protesting. They attend rallies and other events to agitate, confront, and practice hate speech with his signage. My advice to McGinty is to organize his own events consistent with HIS political beliefs, attend the meetings of the Democrat Club, and vote on November 3rd. McGinty was looking for trouble and he found it--any school kid knows that.

graciegirl 06-21-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1788537)
Ed's signs weren't inteded to provide dialogue, inform or work to any solution, they were intended to inflame and aggravate. When you do that sooner or later you put yourself in harms way.

Wondering the same.........I wonder if his injuries were self inflicted? I have not heard of anyone saying they saw this happen and it supposedly happened on a public venue. The picture shows three scratches straight down under his left ear and two bruises on his lips. The pictures are available on the online news.

I only say that because it appears to me by his very inflammatory signs and his aggressive stance that he is very interested in negative attention.

txfan 06-21-2020 06:28 AM

He certainly has the right to peacefully protest without threat of bodily harm to himself.

I would suggest maybe not display a sign that says “hang him,” though (?)

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-21-2020 06:30 AM

I recently posted about political signs and what they do.

Mr McGinty certainly has every right to express his views but there is always a risk when doing so.

I'm not blaming Mr McGinty. I'm just saying that there are people out there that don't need much to provoke them to violence. Signs such as Mr McGinty and others have on their golf carts, cars and houses are all some people need.

Thank God that those people are few and far between among us.

taruffi57 06-21-2020 06:33 AM

McGinty keeps stirring the pot............

golfing eagles 06-21-2020 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Carolyn Reichert (Post 1788608)
Martin Luther King peacefully led protests about civil rights. There were protests against the Vietnam War, mostly peaceful. What cause is McGinty and others of his ilk protesting--the election of a President? What McGinty and others do is not protesting. They attend rallies and other events to agitate, confront, and practice hate speech with his signage. My advice to McGinty is to organize his own events consistent with HIS political beliefs, attend the meetings of the Democrat Club, and vote on November 3rd. McGinty was looking for trouble and he found it--any school kid knows that.


"Martin Luther King peacefully led protests about civil rights."

Except there was a major riot in just about every large city he visited about a week later. Bag man for the funding?????

"There were protests against the Vietnam War, mostly peaceful."

Kent State.

Again, the victim should NEVER have been assaulted, but in the real world one needs to be cognizant of the possible outcomes of a given action.

Trynforpar 06-21-2020 06:40 AM

Eventually some idiot decided that physical force will teach him to change his view. What he actually accomplished was to further his cause by inviting the media in from all around the country to brand us as thugs and him as the people’s hero.

karostay 06-21-2020 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1788579)
McGinty wasn't at any protest. He was out in front of the Winn Dixie, driving his golf cart.

Can you substantiate that for us ?

Joanne19335 06-21-2020 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gatherer47 (Post 1788514)
he was quoted as saying the man was possibly "Italian"-isn't that ethnic profiling ?

I am Italian. Whoever said that IS ethnic profiling—just as people who assume we’re all in the Mafia.

karostay 06-21-2020 06:45 AM

Ever mistakenly cut in front of someone here standing in line...Whow !
I could only imagine the confrontation

Cranford61 06-21-2020 06:49 AM

Life’s tough when you are a provocateur. Keep poking at a lion with a stick and you might, someday, get bit. Sniff, sniff!

soniak4@gmail.com 06-21-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1788508)
ya wanna be an activist ...this stuff is gonna happen

very sad that anyone was assaulted...however...no matter how flat the pancake is there is always two sides to it
....his behavior may have egged it on, no way of knowing...but just saying

if he got into someone's face, he's the one at fault...and would have escalated it...maybe he crossed the wrong person, someone
that had had a lousy breakfast and had gas and was in a bad mood to begin with....who knows for sure

no one knows what someone leaves behind when they leave the house

but I wasn't there and I'm not passing any judgment on anybody

all I can say is:

"well this is certainly a fine kettle of fish that we've gotten ourselves into Ollie, isn't it"

we are a nation divided....what should we think is going to happen when two zealots from opposite sides of the spectrum come head to head?

Let me guess...you probably also believe that a woman wearing a short, low cut dress is asking to be raped, right? Your response is ludicrous. Mr. McGinty was in his cart, driving through a parking lot. He has a right to put any sign he wants on his cart. He was stopped and attacked. Get real!!!

CFrance 06-21-2020 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1788509)
The rally did not meet or drive near the Winn Dixie. Sorry to hear he was attacked but it did not happen at the rally.

kathy

That was stated by the OP.

Guitarman1951 06-21-2020 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788475)
Ed McGinty, who is known as an anti-Trump protester, was physically attacked by one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade, near Sumter Landing today. His picture was on Facebook, and showed him to be battered and bleeding. McGinty was on his way to his daily protest, and from the sounds of it was not at the actual parade. The attack took place near the Sumter Landing Winn Dixie.

This is outrageous and is a black stain on Florida's Friendliest Hometown. Whether you like his views or not, he certainly has a right to protest, and to face physical violence in this manner is just frightening. He has also received threatening letters. What is the matter with these people?

The problem is that he isn't just protesting. He is purposely being very antagonistic with outrageous and absurd signs. He is encouraging confrontations. It would be fine if he or anyone else simply used signs to show who they support or even the "Dump Trump" kind of signs but when you put huge signs with extremely derogatory statements, you are asking for trouble.

noslices1 06-21-2020 07:07 AM

Didn’t this guy send himself threatening letters before? Maybe, he also beat himself up, just to make a point. Don’t trust him.

GoodLife 06-21-2020 07:12 AM

I suggest sympathizers for Mr McGinty go to Minneapolis, Baltimore, Chicago etc and drive around with a Blue Lives Matter sign and see how well your free speech rights are respected.

New Englander 06-21-2020 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1788537)
Ed's signs weren't inteded to provide dialogue, inform or work to any solution, they were intended to inflame and aggravate. When you do that sooner or later you put yourself in harms way.

You are absolutely correct! He tries to provoke people. His signs are nasty.

Kgcetm 06-21-2020 07:18 AM

There are crazies among us, even in America’s Friendliest Hometown. 1st amendment notwithstanding, in this highly and overly charged political atmosphere one might consider toning down their personal distaste of the other person’s party.

karostay 06-21-2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1788664)
You are absolutely correct! He tries to provoke people. His signs are nasty.

Nasty signs come from nasty minds

Bill1701 06-21-2020 07:21 AM

People were asked to not have any political signs on their carts for the parade. He did. Also, he was not attacked at the parade but in the Winn-Dixie parking lot. There is no proof that his attacker was even at the parade.

dilosche 06-21-2020 07:23 AM

How do you know it was a Trump supporter? Could have been an ex girl friend, current girl friend. What would cause someone to attack him? Or did he institute a fight? Perhaps this time his hate was focused on someone who was tired of his spewn hate.

Singerlady 06-21-2020 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1788486)
Hope the guy is caught and punished for the assault.

They should have cameras......

Fredster 06-21-2020 07:27 AM

All I can think of after reading through this thread is that “Hate begets Hate”

joseppe 06-21-2020 07:28 AM

War over words
 
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788562)
No one with signs or words should be the recipient of physical violence. No one. The person who attacked him was clearly a Villages thug. If you state some political view I don't agree with, or wave some sign around with words that do not meet my ethical standards, I have no right to punch you in the face. What normal people do when that happens is argue with the person, and if that gets them nowhere, they walk away.

Countries / factions / groups go to WAR over words or beliefs alone. If you're spouting something distasteful to others you should expect that something violent could happen.

joseppe 06-21-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1788595)
Patently untrue, but explains...a lot. :oops:

Your "right" to be offended from legal signs or protests, does NOT extend to a "right" to physically assault...the one offending you.
:ohdear:

I don't see anyone saying the assailant was Right, only that the attack is not a surprise to anyone

npwalters 06-21-2020 07:32 AM

From the OP "Ed McGinty, who is known as an anti-Trump protester, was physically attacked by one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade, near Sumter Landing today."

Absolutely do not condone physical assault on anyone expressing their opinion. Yet, how do you know it was "one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade"? Perhaps your bias is coloring your account?

Don5154 06-21-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1788595)
Patently untrue, but explains...a lot. :oops:

Your "right" to be offended from legal signs or protests, does NOT extend to a "right" to physically assault...the one offending you.
:ohdear:


Does anyone know who assaulted who first? Could it possibly be Ed made the first assault and got his butt kicked? I sure don’t know, but a lot of people here talk as if they saw what happen. I’ll hold off on my opinion until the police report is completed. As someone else said.....camera’s could tell a different story.

Singerlady 06-21-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1788614)
Wondering the same.........I wonder if his injuries were self inflicted? I have not heard of anyone saying they saw this happen and it supposedly happened on a public venue. The picture shows three scratches straight down under his left ear and two bruises on his lips. The pictures are available on the online news.

I only say that because it appears to me by his very inflammatory signs and his aggressive stance that he is very interested in negative attention.

I believe the article also said people intervened to help......can’t believe you would say that.

Singerlady 06-21-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 1788631)
I am Italian. Whoever said that IS ethnic profiling—just as people who assume we’re all in the Mafia.

Agree. Perhaps he was in shock and trying to remember something to describe...perhaps.

Eg_cruz 06-21-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788475)
Ed McGinty, who is known as an anti-Trump protester, was physically attacked by one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade, near Sumter Landing today. His picture was on Facebook, and showed him to be battered and bleeding. McGinty was on his way to his daily protest, and from the sounds of it was not at the actual parade. The attack took place near the Sumter Landing Winn Dixie.

This is outrageous and is a black stain on Florida's Friendliest Hometown. Whether you like his views or not, he certainly has a right to protest, and to face physical violence in this manner is just frightening. He has also received threatening letters. What is the matter with these people?

I don’t condone violence at any level but when you say the things he says you’re asking for trouble. The mans mouth is a sewer

tenorgirl 06-21-2020 07:45 AM

Altercation at Winn Dixie
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1788625)
"Martin Luther King peacefully led protests about civil rights."

Except there was a major riot in just about every large city he visited about a week later. Bag man for the funding?????

"There were protests against the Vietnam War, mostly peaceful."

Kent State.

Again, the victim should NEVER have been assaulted, but in the real world one needs to be cognizant of the possible outcomes of a given action.

MLK protests were peaceful-the riots happened AFTER he left. Most VietNam protests were peaceful-you must have missed that word as you mention one -1- that wasn’t. One is not a majority unless it was the only.

SHNOK 06-21-2020 07:45 AM

If it was in the Winn-Dixie parking lot, there likely would be witnesses. Has anyone reported witnessing this incident?

Waltdisney4life 06-21-2020 07:45 AM

Fake news!!

jef5836 06-21-2020 07:46 AM

Did not see any of this in the rally I participated in.

JulieER 06-21-2020 07:48 AM

On possible Italian - it was a DESCRIPTION. The police ask for one and you do the best you can. If the attacker is white, black, disabled, Chinese, male, female, Muslim, tall, short, Japanese, heavy set, thin, etc. - it is a DESCRIPTION. It is NOT racial profiling. Under the law, NO ONE has the right to put their hands on you whether you disagree with them or not, argue with them or not. This attacker lost control of himself instead of walking away from someone he didn’t like.

UpNorth 06-21-2020 07:49 AM

I'm surprised he didn't contact CNN first, for another 15 minutes of fame that he seems to crave so much.

Eg_cruz 06-21-2020 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1788475)
Ed McGinty, who is known as an anti-Trump protester, was physically attacked by one of the Trump supporters who hijacked the Blue Lives Matter parade, near Sumter Landing today. His picture was on Facebook, and showed him to be battered and bleeding. McGinty was on his way to his daily protest, and from the sounds of it was not at the actual parade. The attack took place near the Sumter Landing Winn Dixie.

This is outrageous and is a black stain on Florida's Friendliest Hometown. Whether you like his views or not, he certainly has a right to protest, and to face physical violence in this manner is just frightening. He has also received threatening letters. What is the matter with these people?

How do you know it was a Trump supporter.....or are you assuming it was a Trump supporter because he’s so anti-trump? Seems to me you really don’t know the full FACTS at all.......this is how Fake News starts

Astron 06-21-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1788537)
Ed's signs weren't inteded to provide dialogue, inform or work to any solution, they were intended to inflame and aggravate. When you do that sooner or later you put yourself in harms way.

So much for America’s lauded freedom. To use of violence against people that you disagree with is the opposite of the ideals in the Bill of Rights, and are the actions of a terrorist not a patriot. I do not care if the signs are, “intended to inflame and aggravate”. To get in a fist fight over a political sign is just wrong.

Joe C. 06-21-2020 08:01 AM

The most effective way, and actually the quietest and peaceful way to voice your protest is at the ballot box.

Reading all these posts for and against McGinty and the assailant, it just shows how EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION, and in it's own way, each post is actually a protest or show of support. It's just not "public" in the physical sense.

When you publicly protest with inflammatory signs, you might as well have a "hit me" sign on your back.

Did McGinty deserve to be attacked? Not really.
Do I feel bad for him? Not really.

Heyitsrick 06-21-2020 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tenorgirl (Post 1788694)
MLK protests were peaceful-the riots happened AFTER he left. Most VietNam protests were peaceful-you must have missed that word as you mention one -1- that wasn’t. One is not a majority unless it was the only.

Interesting opinion - I guess you'd have to then agree that this logically extends to all who wear a police uniform too, right? I mean, given your point of view, we obviously can't label police as some kind of group that's "systemically" racist, correct? In the interests of being consistent, you certainly must hold the view that the acts of individuals don't reflect any/all who are part of the same organization.

By the way, that also holds for all residents of The Villages. I don't know what happened to this man, but it does seem clear that it was an individual who committed the assault. It wasn't a community, unlike what some here (not directed at you, personally) in the forum would like to portray. Yep, seemingly fewer and fewer care about individual responsibility any more. It's so much easier to just label a group and tarnish their collective names / reputations. It's a pretty pathetic exercise, but I'm seeing it more and more often.


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