[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, agreed. How people vote determines very important directions taken by people and their countries. You can vote for a dictator or you can vote against them and keep them out of power. My main point is that SOMETHING is brewing up in the US right now. The BIG INCREASE in US GUN OWNERSHIP in the last 2 years has me WORRIED. There is NOT a big increase in deer hunters or target shooters - there is SOMETHING else going on here. And I worry that it is DARK and SINISTER!
..........At the January 6th attempted OVERTHROW of the US government, you could see many flags. One of the most prominent flags had an image of a military-style AR-15-looking rifle. This has become the defacto SYMBOL of the dark proud-boy-type anarchy-oriented sick insurrectionists. Jan 6th PORTENDS a situation where citizens will have to choose between having a DEMOCRACY and NOT a dictatorship - OR having a strict interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and LOVING the proud-boy-anarchist and their SYMBOL of HATE and children's blood.......the AR killing machine.
..........you decide!

"overthrow?" What kind of morons would attempt to overthrow a gov without the use of firearms? Folks need to cut back on viewing some of this main stream media. Too much hysteria being encouraged.

[MDLNB]

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I agree.

Originally Posted by drducat

Agree!

Here are the 14 lessons I’ve learned from this tragedy. I’m certain tens of millions of conservative patriots see it the exact same way. Wanna bet?

1. Guns aren’t the problem. “Gun Free Zones” are the problem. They are killing fields. They are an open invitation for mentally-deranged criminals and criminally insane madmen to walk in and start shooting. “Gun Free Zone” signs are like a blinking neon sign in Vegas screaming, “Come on in and kill us. We are helpless, defenseless and weak.”

2. Guns didn’t cause this tragedy. But a good guy with a gun sure ended it. An armed border agent killed the bad guy, thereby saving lives. That should be the headline.

3. We need more good guys (and gals) with guns to stop bad guys. Every school needs armed security. There should be only a single point of entry to every school- and a guard must always protect that entrance. All other doors to the school need to be locked and secured.

4. Backing up the armed security at every school should be teachers and/or administrators with guns and professional gun training.

5. How can we afford all this? I’ve argued from day one it was a disastrous decision and tragic mistake to give another $40 billion to Ukraine. We need to worry about America. We could have used that $40 billion here at home. Half of it ($20 billion) should have been used to pay for armed security at every school in America.

6. If we really want to protect children, secure the border. The other half of the Ukraine funding ($20 billion more) should have been used to build and secure the wall on our Southern border. If we’re angry and shocked as a nation about 19 innocent young children dying in that school shooting, shouldn’t we be even more concerned with tens of thousands of American kids dying each year from drug overdoses- with drugs brought through our porous open border. Everything that comes over that border is a threat to America’s children- drugs, human traffickers, child sex traffickers and tons of violent criminals, gang bangers and MS-13 murderers. Why didn’t we use that Ukraine money to save thousands of children’s lives by securing the border?

7. Gun control is never the answer. Gun control is a massive failure. There are far more shootings, violent crimes and murders in big cities with strict gun control than anywhere else. If strict gun control works, why are the streets of cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New York and Los Angeles such killing fields? The answer is simple: strict gun control never stops criminals. It just leaves the good people defenseless.

8. New gun laws will do nothing to stop crime or mass murders. Why don’t we enforce laws already on the books against violent criminals? Crimes are almost always committed by repeat offenders that District Attorneys allowed back on the streets.

9. Instead of useless new laws, why don’t we make mass murder (the killing of two or more) a DEATH PENALTY crime. If convicted of mass murder, there are no appeals, the convicted mass killer is executed the next day by firing squad. End of story. That’s the way to deter more mass shootings.

10. Investigate Big Pharma for the drugs they pump into young males for depression, anger issues, ADD and mental illness. Virtually every mass killer in recent memory was on these drugs. The side effects of these drugs are suicidal and violent thoughts. Why are we drugging so many male teenagers?

11. Never mention “Defund Police” ever again. Incidents like this prove we need more police, not less.

12. But as much as I love and appreciate police, boy did they fail miserably this time. There are many questions about how the police responded to the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas. How could they stand around for an hour while kids were being slaughtered? Police announced they waited so long because they were “afraid to get shot.” Really? If police are afraid to get shot, they should be instantly terminated. That’s their job- to risk their life to protect civilians. And while they refused to enter the school to confront the shooter, they handcuffed, tasered
and pepper sprayed parents who begged them to go in? So, please no more “defund police,” but let’s re-think how we’re hiring and training police. We need heroic macho warriors. Stop trying to make them into politically-correct pansies, poets and social workers.

13. This mass shooting and the poor police response only makes American patriots even more certain it’s up to us to defend ourselves and save our families. We love the police, but we can never count on them. “If it is to be, it is up to me.” I’ll bet more guns will be bought in the coming months by Americans than ever before in history.

14. One final point. Actually, it’s a pledge. Stop trying to take our guns. This isn’t Australia or New Zealand. This is America. You’re never taking our guns. As in never, never, never, EVER. You’ll only take our guns from our cold dead hands. So, drop your demands. You’re wasting your time. You may not know it yet, but you’ve lost the battle.

I repeat- we’re NEVER giving up our guns.


This article looks about right!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

"overthrow?" What kind of morons would attempt to overthrow a gov without the use of firearms? Folks need to cut back on viewing some of this main stream media. Too much hysteria being encouraged.

According to our new firearms and tactics expert all you need is a sniper rifle.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

According to our new firearms and tactics expert all you need is a sniper rifle.

Places like DC have a lot of snipers on patrol from what I hear. I did see a number of them on various roof tops around the White House in around May of 2015. They were in various kinds of uniforms.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, right idea, but, in my humble opinion, wrong cause.

The rest of the world also watches TV and Movies and plays silent video games. No other country has had one 20 school shootings this year.

But, it is our society, our culture. I agree. Guns are not the problem, they are a symptom and an easy solution for those looking to express their anger, frustration and to get some token of notoriety.

Some think the breakdown in American Society is a result of the Bible being taken out of "our lives". I disagree. I think it is that until around the 1970's single wage earners could make living wage to support their family. Today that is pretty much gone. In most families both parents (or the one parent) have to work. Often far more than 40 hours a week just to get by, no chance of "getting ahead". Prior to the 70's most parents focused on making a better life for their children - that included good work ethic example, some that loved them around all day to give comfort when they needed it, and an optimism that some day they kids would have better live than they did.

For MOST families today, that is not the dream, the dream is now, to be able to buy food and medication. To be able to pay the rent, not have the electricity turned off. And HOPE to god they don't get called in to the school to get the kid and take them home, because that is lost time at work and the chance they won't make it to next pay day - again.

Then add in all the anger and hate spewed by media and people look for someone to blame and which ever side the find closest to their beliefs that latch onto and begin hating the other side.

We USED to be Americans. Now we are one of two sides and it is out patriotic duty (we are told 24 hours a day) to HATE the other side.

That I believe to be the root cause. The loss of hope for a better future.

I partly agree. About 1975(and on) things economically started going south in the US (and hope gradually went south). Tax breaks and tax brackets began to favor the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class. Recent tax changes favoring the wealthy 1% did not even throw a bone to lower-class taxpayers. After 1975 the average person ACTUALLY
lost money even if their wages stayed the same - due to loss of spending power, due to inflation. Not until about 2010 did average workers start to get small wage increases that moved them slightly ahead of inflation. And today due to Russian war aggression and Chinese Covid stupidity, the US is, likely, moving toward a DEEP recession and high inflation.
.........Before 1975 parents would always say that the NEXT generation would be better off than the last. After 1975 that could no longer be said! Today the US has the 1st world's most significant wealth disparity by far. US upward mobility is less than the UK. US health care outcomes (like birth fatalities) are ranked about 30th in the world.
........Face it folks........we are NOT the world leader that we were in the 1950s. We just remember it that way - the good old days of true US supremacy.
........Part of the cause of the US today leading the world in Mass murder IS the slow decline and today's disappearance of the middle class. And outsourcing to China to max out profits for greedy corporations was NOT very patriotic. Now we are so stupid that we can't get the parts we need from China to finish building US cars. The US allowed labor Unions to all but disappear. Funny, they seem to work in Germany, where management and the workers cooperate with each other. There are a lot of factors that have weakened the US middle class.
...........Up until recently, the US always was PROUD of its STRONG middle class.....no more. A strong middle class gives a country maximum STABILITY. The weak middle class and unresolved racial issues tear at the fabric of the nation. For further proof of instability look at the HUGE increases in US suicides and drug overdoses. The US has the highest wealth disparity in the world AND the highest, by far, amount of GUNS circulating in Civilian hands, AND WE may have the highest amount of dangerous drugs circulating in society and among young people. It seems LOGICAL that those factors would equate to more MASS MURDERS.
.........And, Oh yes, we DO lead the world, by far, in MASS MURDERS!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Mostly agree.

You can say rest of world, but really don’t know, and they don’t have freedom or population of USA. So like my opinion it’s just you’re opinion.

IMO What you get with two party system, us or them, with that system it will never change when power and money involved.

I am for reasonable gun control/magazine control. IMO no high powered rifle (centerfire) should hold more than 4 rounds and no handgun (centerfire) more than 6 rounds.

Actually I don’t see need for anything to hold more than 6 rounds. Including my PCP air rifle. But, that’s my opinion.

I agree about the 6 rounds.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I partly agree. About 1975(and on) things economically started going south in the US (and hope gradually went south). Tax breaks and tax brackets began to favor the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class. Recent tax changes favoring the wealthy 1% did not even throw a bone to lower-class taxpayers. After 1975 the average person ACTUALLY
lost money even if their wages stayed the same - due to loss of spending power, due to inflation. Not until about 2010 did average workers start to get small wage increases that moved them slightly ahead of inflation. And today due to Russian war aggression and Chinese Covid stupidity, the US is, likely, moving toward a DEEP recession and high inflation.
.........Before 1975 parents would always say that the NEXT generation would be better off than the last. After 1975 that could no longer be said! Today the US has the 1st world's most significant wealth disparity by far. US upward mobility is less than the UK. US health care outcomes (like birth fatalities) are ranked about 30th in the world.
........Face it folks........we are NOT the world leader that we were in the 1950s. We just remember it that way - the good old days of true US supremacy.
........Part of the cause of the US today leading the world in Mass murder IS the slow decline and today's disappearance of the middle class. And outsourcing to China to max out profits for greedy corporations was NOT very patriotic. Now we are so stupid that we can't get the parts we need from China to finish building US cars. The US allowed labor Unions to all but disappear. Funny, they seem to work in Germany, where management and the workers cooperate with each other. There are a lot of factors that have weakened the US middle class.
...........Up until recently, the US always was PROUD of its STRONG middle class.....no more. A strong middle class gives a country maximum STABILITY. The weak middle class and unresolved racial issues tear at the fabric of the nation. For further proof of instability look at the HUGE increases in US suicides and drug overdoses. The US has the highest wealth disparity in the world AND the highest, by far, amount of GUNS circulating in Civilian hands, AND WE may have the highest amount of dangerous drugs circulating in society and among young people. It seems LOGICAL that those factors would equate to more MASS MURDERS.
.........And, Oh yes, we DO lead the world, by far, in MASS MURDERS!

A lot of good points by you and the post you replied to. I'll just add a couple more, hopefully good points. I came from a broken home. Father took off when we were little kids, and we were raised by my mother. 4 kids, one parent who worked 10-12 hrs/day, 6 days a week. Yet we all turned out okay. Why? A big reason was because there was still an infrastructure in our schools to support kids like my brothers, sister, and me. There were counselors who actually knew who I was and who I could see without waiting weeks.
Fast-forward 30 years and there I am, a single parent with a son in High School and starting to get in trouble. I call the school to see if I could talk to a counselor - for 2000 students there is ONE counselor on staff. When I finally do see this poor frazzled guy, we tells me honestly that he has about 5 minutes to devote to each student and if I really care about getting my son help, I need to get him outside help. Luckily, I could afford it - many cannot and are just out of luck.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

"overthrow?" What kind of morons would attempt to overthrow a gov without the use of firearms? Folks need to cut back on viewing some of this main stream media. Too much hysteria being encouraged.

The "would be" government OVERTHROWERS did manage to injure about 200 Police officers and seriously wound several others. Some died later. We all saw the US Capital being overthrown and we saw the rioters beating a policeman's head while stuck in a door. We saw flag poes used as spears. Later we found out that the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers had GUNS and a boat waiting across the Potomac River.
.........We know that they chanted,"hang Mike Pense" and we saw the noose. They were NOT singing nursery rhymes and inviting Pense to a game of checkers. That WAS a DEADLY insurrection.
..........One person brought a knife into Nancy Pelosi's room. On Jan 5th there was a discussion about bringing guns and a few were found in one truck outside the capital. The Jan 6th insurrection was a perfect example of the tension that exists today throughout society. You add tension with the easy Assessability to GUNS and you have the reason for our last 2 MASS MURDERS being only 10 days apart. The immediate future holds GREAT potential for even INCREASED mass murders. The SOLUTION is to look at what other democratic countries have done to SOLVE their GUN problems.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I partly agree. About 1975(and on) things economically started going south in the US (and hope gradually went south). Tax breaks and tax brackets began to favor the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class. Recent tax changes favoring the wealthy 1% did not even throw a bone to lower-class taxpayers. After 1975 the average person ACTUALLY
lost money even if their wages stayed the same - due to loss of spending power, due to inflation. Not until about 2010 did average workers start to get small wage increases that moved them slightly ahead of inflation. And today due to Russian war aggression and Chinese Covid stupidity, the US is, likely, moving toward a DEEP recession and high inflation.
.........Before 1975 parents would always say that the NEXT generation would be better off than the last. After 1975 that could no longer be said! Today the US has the 1st world's most significant wealth disparity by far. US upward mobility is less than the UK. US health care outcomes (like birth fatalities) are ranked about 30th in the world.
........Face it folks........we are NOT the world leader that we were in the 1950s. We just remember it that way - the good old days of true US supremacy.
........Part of the cause of the US today leading the world in Mass murder IS the slow decline and today's disappearance of the middle class. And outsourcing to China to max out profits for greedy corporations was NOT very patriotic. Now we are so stupid that we can't get the parts we need from China to finish building US cars. The US allowed labor Unions to all but disappear. Funny, they seem to work in Germany, where management and the workers cooperate with each other. There are a lot of factors that have weakened the US middle class.
...........Up until recently, the US always was PROUD of its STRONG middle class.....no more. A strong middle class gives a country maximum STABILITY. The weak middle class and unresolved racial issues tear at the fabric of the nation. For further proof of instability look at the HUGE increases in US suicides and drug overdoses. The US has the highest wealth disparity in the world AND the highest, by far, amount of GUNS circulating in Civilian hands, AND WE may have the highest amount of dangerous drugs circulating in society and among young people. It seems LOGICAL that those factors would equate to more MASS MURDERS.
.........And, Oh yes, we DO lead the world, by far, in MASS MURDERS!

Wow you have a negative view of the US. Not perfect but still think we are the greatest country in the world.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jdulej

A lot of good points by you and the post you replied to. I'll just add a couple more, hopefully good points. I came from a broken home. Father took off when we were little kids, and we were raised by my mother. 4 kids, one parent who worked 10-12 hrs/day, 6 days a week. Yet we all turned out okay. Why? A big reason was because there was still an infrastructure in our schools to support kids like my brothers, sister, and me. There were counselors who actually knew who I was and who I could see without waiting weeks.
Fast-forward 30 years and there I am, a single parent with a son in High School and starting to get in trouble. I call the school to see if I could talk to a counselor - for 2000 students there is ONE counselor on staff. When I finally do see this poor frazzled guy, we tells me honestly that he has about 5 minutes to devote to each student and if I really care about getting my son help, I need to get him outside help. Luckily, I could afford it - many cannot and are just out of luck.

That's a good post about schools. I would just quickly say that whenever you see a problem (like a frazzled school counselor) look to TAXES, believe it or not! Schools are financed by property taxes and rich people have the most property - so they get their own school board members elected to keep school costs DOWN. That is why public schools end up with 30 plus in each classroom - less learning and more "acting out".
........Then the rich people want better schools for THEIR children so they invent CHARTER SCHOOLS. The public schools get less money and become INCUBATORS for a "dumbed down" US society, customers for drug dealers, and enough TENSION to create the world's largest numbers of MASS MURDERERS!

[MDLNB]

Making more gun laws is stupid, period.
Stopping the cause is the idea. The cause is PEOPLE, not guns. Take the gun away or limit it all you want, but all you will do is build your own ego, not protect anyone. As a matter of fact, more people are save than murdered in this country by guns. Over a million last year were saved by some good citizen with a gun. Take away the gang murders in the main cities and our country will have the least amount of gun related murders in the world.....or close to it. Any gun laws you make in the country will only make murders worse, not better. Why? Because then the good guys will be restricted/ hands tied and won't be able to keep the stats down. The bad guys are not going to worry about breaking a gun related law when they plan to break the MURDER law.
THEY will NEVER in our lifetime or our grandkids lifetime ever be able to get rid of guns in our country, not matter what drug induced fantasy they might dream up. It's kind of like expecting to stop DUIs by getting rid of the cars. They tried getting rid of alcohol and we all know how that worked out. Guns can be printed out and they won't have a serial number to trace.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

...

So many want-to-be, jealous posts..............quite obvious.

Rather than working smartly and hard and achieving the life-style desired, it's much easier to complain about successful people.

"poor me"

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Making more gun laws is stupid, period.
Stopping the cause is the idea. The cause is PEOPLE, not guns. Take the gun away or limit it all you want, but all you will do is build your own ego, not protect anyone. As a matter of fact, more people are save than murdered in this country by guns. Over a million last year were saved by some good citizen with a gun. Take away the gang murders in the main cities and our country will have the least amount of gun related murders in the world.....or close to it. Any gun laws you make in the country will only make murders worse, not better. Why? Because then the good guys will be restricted/ hands tied and won't be able to keep the stats down. The bad guys are not going to worry about breaking a gun related law when they plan to break the MURDER law.
You will NEVER in our lifetime or our grandkids lifetime ever be able to get rid of guns in our country, not matter what drug induced fantasy you might dream up. It's kind of like expecting to stop DUIs by getting rid of the cars. They tried getting rid of alcohol and we all know how that worked out. Guns can be printed out and they won't have a serial number to trace.

You keep saying the same thing over and over. When I do that people seem to get upset.

Oh well.

Do you have ANY suggestions on how to reduce the number of kids murdered every year?

I agree banning ANY guns will not work and banning all guns will not work. So, I have posted several detailed suggestions on what I think would help.

I would appreciate hearing what you think will help. Stopping the cause is not an answer, since we do not yet know the cause. So, what can we do while we try to find the cause and fix it?

[Reiver]

The Girandoni air rifle was an airgun designed by Tyrolian inventor Bartholomäus Girandoni circa 1779. It was used on the Lewis and Clark Expedition in the early 1800s.
It is capable of discharging it's entire 20 shot capacity in less than 30 seconds.
The Girandoni Air Rifle: The Lewis and Clark Expedition's Secret Weapon

The first successful design for a semi-automatic rifle is attributed to Austria-born gunsmith Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher, who unveiled the design in 1885.

Why are these antique weapons suddenly a modern problem? How can it possibly be the weapon?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wow you have a negative view of the US. Not perfect but still think we are the greatest country in the world.

I used to think that the US was a GREAT country from about 1950 to 1975. In about 1975 I found out that US wage earners were actually falling backward in earnings due to inflation. If today, I was age 22, I would travel around Europe and Australia and New Zealand - I would see if I liked the weather and the people. Then, if I liked one country I would see if I could move there as a visa worker or to go for citizenship. The US will remain a power in the world militarily and economically, but it ranks pretty low on "quality of life" issues compared to other countries.
........I also predict near-future problems and changes from today to about 2026. IMO it is about a 50% probability that by 2026 the US is NOT even classified as a Democracy.
.........And after 2 mass murders in 10 days, NOTHING will change. If anything, people will buy more guns, which will equal more crime and more MASS MURDERS. America will "keep on, keeping on". I just HOPE that it does NOT reach you and yours or me and mine! Good luck.