[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Apparently you have been living in TV too long. There are neighborhoods in this country where people are afraid to walk the street due to gang wars, drug deals and prostitution. Unfortunately these gang wars have spread outside of the bad neighborhoods. Did you not see the news reports of shootings in downtown areas in broad daylight? There are home invasions and car jackings going on all the time in large and small cities.

And those gang wars are largely funded via sales of drugs and sex trafficking. Legalizing drugs would take away that source of funds (you know that pays for a 14-year-old drug deal to purchase an expensive weapon)

The post was about "revolution", and your post was about crime. Could you connect those two?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

You are in more danger of being killed by a knife, bat, fist or foot than being shot by ANY rifle, let alone a "scary black" one.

So? really, we are talking about a significant rise in school shootings in the past couple of years. Knives, bats, fists, and feet are NOT used in mass murders.

Thank god I don't have to worry about mass murder by fists imagine killing 20 people in a class by beating them to death.

Thank you for the "what aboutism"

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Try 10 or 20%.

Of the population, not of the country area/towns/cities, etc. And the posted agreed in big cities gangs are a problem.

[jebartle]

Unfortunately, statistics can say or not say whatever the poster wants to conclude. Sure hope gridlock is not the answer, and congress has a real solution.

[Normal]

Just ban humans, because there lies the problem. A gun would sit there without them.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The 223 is a high-velocity cartridge and with civilian lead soft-noes bullets would leave a large exit wound often described as "exploding". That's why the children's own parents could NOT recognize their faces. Their heads were pulverized. They had to use DNA identification. That's the reality, NOT an "urban legend". Brass covered military bullets poke holes and don't expand as per the Geneva convention.

There is not such thing as a soft nosed .223 round.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Unfortunately, I am forced to agree with you. There is enough of a base of unwavering 2nd amendment supporters to stop any serious change. To them, having a few hundred innocents slaughtered is worth it. They don't want to say it out loud, but the fact that they offer no solutions and are against any limitations or management of gun ownership (not getting anywhere near saying gun banning - that ship has sailed) leads me to that horrible statement above - they just don't care.
Most likely, we need to wait for the baby boomer generation to die out. The NRA is fading, thank god, due to massive corruption at the top, so they should not be much of a player in a few years. That leaves the manufacturers, some of whom use absolutely disgusting marketing and sales techniques.

How can you draw such conclusions? It is absolutely ridiculous to believe and suggest that law abiding gun owners are not concerned with murder victims. In my opinion, it is quite the opposite. I believe it is actually those who are ignorant of firearm ownership and safety that are the root cause of murder in our country. DA's in major blue cities not prosecuting crimes. Violent criminals being released to terrorize our cities. There is at least one mass shooting every single month in Chicago and the authorities there do nothing about it. The same can be said for Los Angeles, St. Louis, Baltimore, to name a few. These are issues that law abiding gun owners discuss at length but do not have the voting numbers to override the corrupt people elected to office in these cities.

I've offered solutions to school shootings at the most common response from our friends left of center is "we shouldn't have to send our kids to a "prison".". There are 63,000 schools in the U.S. If everyone did what a high school in Indiana did, there would be no more mass school shootings. Anyone who would like to see their solution go on YouTube and look for "Inside The Safest School in America". It cost $400K to retrofit that school. That equates to $20 billion to retrofit every school in America. That is how you stop mass shootings in school. That is half what we just sent to Ukraine for their "needs". The solution lies with our elected leaders so tell your Representative to support such an effort.

The problem is not Baby Boomers. They are not the killers. You're looking at the wrong generation.

The NRA is 5 million law abiding gun enthusiasts. Without people like me there is no NRA. The majority work done by the NRA revolves around gun safety programs and education. I'd love to hear what you think it is. Additionally, there are dozens of other non-profit gun rights organizations.

Point out the marketing techniques that you find so disturbing. There are no commercials on television advertising guns or ammo. They market in gun magazines and trade shows.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

How can you draw such conclusions? It is absolutely ridiculous to believe and suggest that law abiding gun owners are not concerned with murder victims. In my opinion, it is quite the opposite. I believe it is actually those who are ignorant of firearm ownership and safety that are the root cause of murder in our country. DA's in major blue cities not prosecuting crimes. Violent criminals being released to terrorize our cities. There is at least one mass shooting every single month in Chicago and the authorities there do nothing about it. The same can be said for Los Angeles, St. Louis, Baltimore, to name a few. These are issues that law abiding gun owners discuss at length but do not have the voting numbers to override the corrupt people elected to office in these cities.

I've offered solutions to school shootings at the most common response from our friends left of center is "we shouldn't have to send our kids to a "prison".". There are 63,000 schools in the U.S. If everyone did what a high school in Indiana did, there would be no more mass school shootings. Anyone who would like to see their solution go on YouTube and look for "Inside The Safest School in America". It cost $400K to retrofit that school. That equates to $20 billion to retrofit every school in America. That is how you stop mass shootings in school. That is half what we just sent to Ukraine for their "needs". The solution lies with our elected leaders so tell your Representative to support such an effort.

The problem is not Baby Boomers. They are not the killers. You're looking at the wrong generation.

The NRA is 5 million law abiding gun enthusiasts. Without people like me there is no NRA. The majority work done by the NRA revolves around gun safety programs and education. I'd love to hear what you think it is. Additionally, there are dozens of other non-profit gun rights organizations.

Point out the marketing techniques that you find so disturbing. There are no commercials on television advertising guns or ammo. They market in gun magazines and trade shows.

Absolutely.

Law-abiding gun owners are not the problem. The liberals are not the problem either.

The NRA is borderline. It used to be about gun owners, I believe it has changed a lot in the last decade, and it is now more of a mouthpiece for the gun manufacturers. But, I could be wrong.

The problem is the extremists and the criminals.

Meantime we can be assured if we count on Congress to fix things, things will only get worse.

The SOLUTION is for "normal" law-abiding citizens to take action, find a solution we can live with, and save the next batch of children that will be murdered soon - despite everyone's "thoughts and prayers"

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When you're shooting into a crowd and hoping to hit as many people as possible with no singular target in mind, then accuracy doesn't matter much.

The more shots you can fire in a short period of time, the more likely you'll hit a lot of people. That's why these weapons are the weapons of choice for *mass shooters*. As opposed to - rocks, knives, single-shot rifles and pistols, 6-shooters, crossbows, baseball bats, a car, or a chainsaw (for example).

Your theory has already been debunked. A simple Google search would show you the weapon of choice for mass shooters and school shooters is a semi-auto handgun, NOT the AR platform that seems to scare the bejesus out of you. Since I know your Google Fu is top notch then must assume it was just laziness on your part, or a poor assumption as I did previously.

This killer in Uvalde locked himself in a classroom and killed the two adults and 19 children in that classroom. He did not need an AR to accomplish the same task. He could have used a 12 ga. pump shotgun and still massacred the same 21 victims in under 2 or 3 minutes. Whether you kill 21 people in 1 minute or 2 minutes the outcome is the same. As long as nobody engages the killer, the killing will continue until he is out of ammunition, offs himself, or someone else stops him. Unarmed victims will NEVER be able to stop an armed killer.

Ban AR's and determined killers will choose another weapon and achieve the same infamy they seek.

The percentage of households with firearms has been decreasing since 1972 when the data began to be collected. Simple logic dictates as our population increases the number of firearms will increase. The percentage of ownership however is decreasing.

Also, guns have been in common use in our country for over 300 years. But for the past 30 years we suddenly have a problem. Why?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

The problem is not Baby Boomers. They are not the killers. You're looking at the wrong generation.

The NRA is 5 million law abiding gun enthusiasts. Without people like me there is no NRA. The majority work done by the NRA revolves around gun safety programs and education. I'd love to hear what you think it is. Additionally, there are dozens of other non-profit gun rights organizations.

Point out the marketing techniques that you find so disturbing. There are no commercials on television advertising guns or ammo. They market in gun magazines and trade shows.

SPOT ON...there are basic rules in this universe. You reap what you sew. A child who is raised by video games and movies that glorify murder finds enjoyment in them. Will they all carry that forward into pragmatism....probably not. Will some....probably.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

Your theory has already been debunked. A simple Google search would show you the weapon of choice for mass shooters and school shooters is a semi-auto handgun, NOT the AR platform that seems to scare the bejesus out of you. Since I know your Google Fu is top notch then must assume it was just laziness on your part, or a poor assumption as I did previously.

This killer in Uvalde locked himself in a classroom and killed the two adults and 19 children in that classroom. He did not need an AR to accomplish the same task. He could have used a 12 ga. pump shotgun and still massacred the same 21 victims in under 2 or 3 minutes. Whether you kill 21 people in 1 minute or 2 minutes the outcome is the same. As long as nobody engages the killer, the killing will continue until he is out of ammunition, offs himself, or someone else stops him. Unarmed victims will NEVER be able to stop an armed killer.

Ban AR's and determined killers will choose another weapon and achieve the same infamy they seek.

The percentage of households with firearms has been decreasing since 1972 when the data began to be collected. Simple logic dictates as our population increases the number of firearms will increase. The percentage of ownership however is decreasing.

Also, guns have been in common use in our country for over 300 years. But for the past 30 years we suddenly have a problem. Why?

All, true, except you, left off a point. As the number of people that own guns have decreased (I think around 40% to around 30% of households since 1970?) the total number of guns has increased significantly. This means fewer people have more guns.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

All, true, except you, left off a point. As the number of people that own guns have decreased (I think around 40% to around 30% of households since 1970?) the total number of guns has increased significantly. This means fewer people have more guns.

That is totally correct. People buy multiple firearms for a variety of reasons. Personally, knowing that NATO rounds are the 9mm, .45acp, .223/5.56, .308/7.62 and 12ga shotgun, I have at least one of each. I have several for hunting, target shooting, self defense, and for the students I teach. Each has a different purpose. Then again, i don't think owning 20 guitars is a bad idea either.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Originally Posted by jebartle

19 innocent children, 2 dedicated teachers, lives lost, solution????? More guns, bigger prisons, NOT. Japan, no guns unless police and military, murder rate .3 percent per 100,000, America, 4.7 per 100,000. Mental health wake up call.

The solution is obvious to everyone but the people that can do something about it.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Romaine gets yanked because a few people got sick. Mass shooting and the answer is give more guns to people. Perfectly logical.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Romaine gets yanked because a few people got sick. Mass shooting and the answer is give more guns to people. Perfectly logical.

Romaine doesn’t kill, people kill. If no one ate it no one would die.