[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Making more gun laws is stupid, period.
Stopping the cause is the idea. The cause is PEOPLE, not guns. Take the gun away or limit it all you want, but all you will do is build your own ego, not protect anyone. As a matter of fact, more people are save than murdered in this country by guns. Over a million last year were saved by some good citizen with a gun. Take away the gang murders in the main cities and our country will have the least amount of gun related murders in the world.....or close to it. Any gun laws you make in the country will only make murders worse, not better. Why? Because then the good guys will be restricted/ hands tied and won't be able to keep the stats down. The bad guys are not going to worry about breaking a gun related law when they plan to break the MURDER law.
You will NEVER in our lifetime or our grandkids lifetime ever be able to get rid of guns in our country, not matter what drug induced fantasy you might dream up. It's kind of like expecting to stop DUIs by getting rid of the cars. They tried getting rid of alcohol and we all know how that worked out. Guns can be printed out and they won't have a serial number to trace.

Not very nice to say that I am on a "drug-induced " fantasy. I would NEVER, never say that about you or anyone on TOTV. I am NOT for taking away GUNS designed for hunting, targets, or home protection. I am against the NRA and greedy manufacturers that have (through propaganda) moved shooters AWAY from sportsman-type rifles and TOWARD selling weapons of WAR to CIVILIANS. Think about that........it makes no sense.......it is a CON JOB by the manufacturers and the NRA. They make the profits and the average people in America get shot buying groceries and their children die and bleed at school.
........I would rather live with a bolt action to defend my home than have excessive weapons of WAR circulating in society. But, I know it is too late. I just want to be on record as saying that it does not HAVE to be this way. And it WILL get worse. And I don't want to hear the childish propaganda about "a good guy with a gun " and that "slippery slope" sing-song crap!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I just want to be on record as saying that it does not HAVE to be this way. And it WILL get worse. And I don't want to hear the childish propaganda about "a good guy with a gun " and that "slippery slope" sing-song crap!

Okay you’re on record. Feel better?

[biker1]

"Weapons of war" are fully automatic weapons. The vast majority of firearms are semi-automatic. Big difference and a difference that is lost on apparently most people. While it is possible to own a fully automatic weapon (typically collectors), there are a lot of hoops to jump through including approval by the Federal Government. It is a common mistake to assume your average Joe can buy an automatic weapon - he can't. Stop calling the firearms that people can actually buy "weapons of war" - they are not and it is disingenuous to say so.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not very nice to say that I am on a "drug-induced " fantasy. I would NEVER, never say that about you or anyone on TOTV. I am NOT for taking away GUNS designed for hunting, targets, or home protection. I am against the NRA and greedy manufacturers that have (through propaganda) moved shooters AWAY from sportsman-type rifles and TOWARD selling weapons of WAR to CIVILIANS. Think about that........it makes no sense.......it is a CON JOB by the manufacturers and the NRA. They make the profits and the average people in America get shot buying groceries and their children die and bleed at school.
........I would rather live with a bolt action to defend my home than have excessive weapons of WAR circulating in society. But, I know it is too late. I just want to be on record as saying that it does not HAVE to be this way. And it WILL get worse. And I don't want to hear the childish propaganda about "a good guy with a gun " and that "slippery slope" sing-song crap!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

"Weapons of war" are fully automatic weapons. The vast majority of firearms are semi-automatic. Big difference and a difference that is lost on apparently most people. While it is possible to own a fully automatic weapon (typically collectors), there are a lot of hoops to jump through including approval by the Federal Government. It is a common mistake to assume your average Joe can buy an automatic weapon - he can't. Stop calling the firearms that people can actually buy "weapons of war" - they are not and it is disingenuous to say so.

Actually, ALL semi-automatics can be EASILY modified to fully automatic. And they are closer to Man-killers or weapons of war than a bolt-action, lever, or pump-action deer hunter.

[biker1]

All? Really? I didn't know you were a gunsmith. Regardless, please stop with the strawman arguments. Feel free to argue against facts with someone else.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually, ALL semi-automatics can be EASILY modified to fully automatic. And they are closer to Man-killers or weapons of war than a bolt-action, lever, or pump-action deer hunter.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually, ALL semi-automatics can be EASILY modified to fully automatic. And they are closer to Man-killers or weapons of war than a bolt-action, lever, or pump-action deer hunter.

Not true all, and even if it were, firing on full auto greatly reduces accuracy. Have you ever fired one? I have. Good luck staying on target.

But please tell us how many school shooters used fully automatic military weapons.

[Taltarzac725]

What did Thomas Jefferson read? This may get an idea of what the 2nd Amendment meant in at least his eyes.

Thomas Jefferson's Reading Lists

And in other Founding Fathers--

Gun Quotes From Our Founding Fathers - 2nd Amendment

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Stopping the cause is not an answer, since we do not yet know the cause.

I'm pretty confident that any non-biased person that compares the US to the other G7 countries in school shootings can tell what the cause is. The US is over 50x higher per capita than the other G7 countries combined in school shootings.

There's literally one main difference between the US and those other countries.

[Normal]

I’m tired of hearing of the shootings. No one wants to see kids lives needlessly snuffed out, but banning guns aren’t the answer for the sick mind who did this. We should all count our blessings he didn’t use a pump shotgun with magazine extensions. It would have been much worse. Canada banned assault weapons last year after their last mass shooting where 22 died in Portapique. I guess we will see how that turns out?

[Jack58033]

The Japanese play violent video games but it does not correlate to gun violence. They make it hard to get guns.They don't have a fraction of the guns we have. They don't have a percent of the deaths we have and no dead children in schools.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by biker1

"Weapons of war" are fully automatic weapons. The vast majority of firearms are semi-automatic. Big difference and a difference that is lost on apparently most people. While it is possible to own a fully automatic weapon (typically collectors), there are a lot of hoops to jump through including approval by the Federal Government. It is a common mistake to assume your average Joe can buy an automatic weapon - he can't. Stop calling the firearms that people can actually buy "weapons of war" - they are not and it is disingenuous to say so.

I am waiting to hear how the conspiracy works between the NRA and the GREEDY manufactures to induce so many to buy "MANKILLERS" "WEAPONS OF WAR"

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Normal

I’m tired of hearing of the shootings. No one wants to see kids lives needlessly snuffed out, but banning guns aren’t the answer for the sick mind who did this. We should all count our blessings he didn’t use a pump shotgun with magazine extensions. It would have been much worse. Canada banned assault weapons last year after their last mass shooting where 22 died in Portapique. I guess we will see how that turns out?

If Canada's last mass slaughter was last year, I'd say they are already doing a heck of a lot better than the US is.

[Bay Kid]

Crazies will find a way. Sorry to say the world is full of crazies.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Crazies will find a way. Sorry to say the world is full of crazies.

And we are the incubator of “crazies”.

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by Jack58033

The Japanese play violent video games but it does not correlate to gun violence. They make it hard to get guns.They don't have a fraction of the guns we have. They don't have a percent of the deaths we have and no dead children in schools.

True, but when you commit a crime in Japan, you go to jail and stay there....