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And when/if our government becomes truly tyrannical, have fun defending yourself with your five round clips and muzzle loaders...
The 2nd ammendment was ratified for a REASON. It specifically states that the right to bear Arms "shall not be infringed". The REASON is not to hunt deer, it is to defend Americans against it's own government. Yet, our government's (Fed, State and Local) HAVE "infringed" by creating gun laws. We are NOT like Australia, Sweden, Germany, France, the UK or any other country. We have fought for, and died for, the freedoms granted us as Americans in our Constitution. The same Constitution our Military and Federally elected public servants swear to protect. Guns and their availability are NOT the problem. Our morals, values and ethics are. Our country looks more and more like Sodom and Gamora everyday. Our family structures are broken, single parents, 2 working parents with latchkey kids.... very little time to instill traditional American values in those kids. Instead they are getting those values from a government school system which teaches them a political agenda and "wokeness". Participation trophies instead of good sportsmanship. Test teaching, which eliminates critical thinking skills. And more recently Critical Race Theory and Gender fluidity and identification. Politicians on your evening news have been incredibly nasty in their words, even suggesting people to get in other people's faces, kick them out of your places of business, citing half of Americans as deplorable, super predators, Nazis, dirty Walmart shoppers, homophobic, xenophobic, and many other names. Even talking about beating up the President "behind the barn". One even threatened a Supreme Court Justice saying he "won't know what hit him." Is it any wonder (or coincidence) these kids are shooting up the schools? You want to "fix" this problem? Find the root of the problem. HINT : it is NOT the guns nor gun availibility. |
Check out Chicago. Strict gun law, high gun violence...
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Jefferson removed all Jesus is God references from his Bible, actually cut those passages out with a knife. Our Constitution has exactly two references to religion and both strongly state that religious affiliation has no place in our governance. The ethic of the founders was not rigid evangelical Christianity is was instead based on liberal ideology of natural rights as proposed by Locke and others. The founders were so against religious dogma determining United States governance that they made sure the Post Office, one of the few functions of the Federal Government at the time, operated on Sunday, you know the Christian day of rest and prayer on which you shall refrain from work and keep it holy, the Post Office functioned on Sunday the same as any other day of the week. " In 1828, the Kentucky Senator Richard M. Johnson, chairman of the Senate Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads and a devout Baptist, declared any federal attempt to give preference to the Christian Sabbath to be unconstitutional. The line between church and state when it came to Sunday mail delivery, he argued, "cannot be too strongly drawn." " No, what has happened is that once again the real history of the US is being subverted by many who wish to believe that what they now hold true was held true in the 18th century. Thomas Paine called Christianity a fable. Many were simply Deists, a religious belief that a God does exist but that he [or she] is not actively involved in our day to day life and that "human experience and rationality—rather than religious dogma and mystery—determine the validity of human beliefs." That was overwhelmingly the ethic of our founders and where it overlapped with the liberal Protestantism of the day, that was ok. Real history. You can look it up. |
LOCK ALL SCHOOL DOORS, one door entrance with metal detector, I don't care how much it costs, these are our children that need to be protected. Cost, the obnoxious amount spent on campaign funds, that we all ignore, can go toward this.
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I expect AR15's against the new XM5 will be found lacking. I expect 9MM against a M1 Abrams will be found lacking. On and On. Are you suggesting citizens should have Cruise missiles? Why not automatic weapons? Why not F35's? After all, if the constitution - specifically the 2nd amendment - wants to be sure the populous can take back a rogue government , then it would seem to follow the citizens should be allowed to be equally armed. Let's look at Ukraine - are we sending them civilian weapons? No, we are depleting our military arsenal because they do not have enough weapons locally capable of defending against a modern military. So, unless you want access to Cruise, M1 Abrams, F35's and more, your argument is some what lacking. I will completely agree there are many places in the US where a person may need a weapon to protect themselves and their loved ones. I have NO problem with that, or them. I question the need of a citizen to have 1,000 to 5,000 weapons stashed in the survival bunker. I question the need for a private citizen to own and M1 Abrams. Do you? |
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Thank you for a suggestion. I place this in the we shall, as opposed the the loud voice of we shall not. We shall gets things done, we shall not feels good and accomplishes close to nothing. |
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However, your statement: "Compare the two. Obviously, Texas is very afraid of people driving on their streets, but if you want to kill children - no so hard". is inflammatory and does nothing to help move the needle forward. Is it a good idea to own a firearm and not get some sort of training? No, as tragic accidents can and do happen. Do you think these monsters care If a training requirement is an impediment to acquiring a gun legally? They have already decided to break the law, so what is to prevent them from acquiring a gun illegally? |
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.........More readily available guns equate to MORE gun deaths and crime. To understand how big and BAD the US situation has become - you just need to look at a chart comparison showing gun deaths per 100,000 citizens for ALL the world's countries. Ry far, the US has the MOST ! |
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And finally, thank you for helping make more responsible gun owners. I completely support responsible gun ownership. I have no desire to own one, but I understand and respect responsible gun owners. |
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We are unique in that our Constitution enumerates our right to bear Arms which "shall not be infringed" upon (which current laws actually do).
Other countries do not have our Constitution. |
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Not a cure, but a step - a little help. Imagine if these shooters were captured, and offered plea deals to give up their seller or get the death penalty. Then the illegal seller is charged with murder and hung. It would certain not stop illegal sales but again every little step helps. I saw a post early on in this thread that "at least he is dead, saves on the cost of the trail". I disagree with that. My personal favorite punishment for these murders would be publicly lowering them into a tree shredder feet first slowly. And stream the event on the Internet and require all OTA media to air live coverage with audio. Not very liberal of me - is it. |
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Do you believe you should be allowed to own Nukes, Cruise missiles and M1 Abrams? Why not? That would certainly fit not being infringed on. |
Nicely put about the 2nd Amendment. And I believe that in that period in US History they meant a well-regulated militia's Right to Bear Arms and not so much individual settlers and towns people. They were afraid that people still loyal to England might take up arms again or some despot might take over the government which had happened often in Roman history which many learned men read.
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After watching several of the news conferences on the event, it seems to me that the media needs to hire more Monday morning quarterbacks. Not.
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Disregard my point with semantics because that solves the problem under discussion? |
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If you continue to refine the search, a very small percentage own hundreds of guns. And an even smaller percentage own thousands. But, they exist. When I search for how many times have large caches of guns been found, there were 80 million hits. I didn't check all of them, I assume MOST are not relevant, most of them are duplicates, etc. But, it is NOT an isolated incident in this country. |
IT'S THE ASSAULT WEAPON STUPID! Nothing more/nothing less.
You can drone on all you like, but you cannot get away from the FACT that if the assault weapons were not available mass murders would be almost eliminated. |
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WRONG! Comparing our country to others is comparing apples to pumpkin pie. It's about time that "some" people start looking at their own back yard instead of over the fence at other folks pastures. We have a very large land mass. We have a large population We have a very liberal PC system We have much more freedom We are individuals, not assimilated into one mind controlled by someone else We have a very lenient justice system We have many, many things that other countries do not, including an inferior education system, due mainly to "open minded" or fill in the blank_____ thought process, that has taken discipline away from the parent. I could list many reasons, but to some it will always come back to "its the guns" because they do not know jack about guns or people and their nature. |
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My post was exactly on the topic it was replied to (if yours, I don't recall, but it was 2nd amendment and restrictions on gun ownership). However, the constitution does not specifically say that Tanks and Warplanes are off the table. So by the recent leaked decision of the SCOTUS that rights are not rights, that are not enumerated are not rights. Therefore, there is NO restriction or limit on the right to bare arms. Seems a pretty straight forward extrapolation. You can't have it your way, and n to allow me to have mine. If I want to own a Tank in what way does the government have the right to deny me that weapon of choice? Where does the constitution say - except for tanks. |
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I never saw a 30 round "CLIP" but I have seen a 30 round magazine. Maybe the problem is that some folks don't know anything about the subject and make decisions based on flawed information. Maybe the information regarding police response is incomplete and we just don't know the details. Maybe we know nothing about that young ADULT's parents, or enough details about his mental condition. Any way you look at it, it was not the fault of the guns used. Like I said before, why penalize the majority for the acts of the minority? |
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Assault weapons???? Is my 22cal rifle an assault weapon? I can do as much damage with it as someone with an AR-15. My rifle is not automatic, but I can buy a fully automatic BB gun that can KILL without even registering it or going through a background process. Like I said before and will continue to repeat it, it's not the gun, it's the person. A person drives under the influence and kills someone. Do they take away everyone's cars? Perhaps the car drive can drive 200mph, so should only fast cars be taken away from everyone else? |
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When you don't have access to a gun, get a knife. In China the average subject, notice I didn't say Citizen, cannot own firearms.
Outside the Americas, Knives Are Often the Weapon of Choice in Homicides More than 130 people in Kunming, China, were injured when about ten men and women wielding knives began stabbing others at random Outside the Americas, Knives Are Often the Weapon of Choice in Homicides | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine Back in the late 80's I read a report, that I can't find now, reported there were more knife homicides in Mexico than homicides by all means (guns, knives, bludgeons, fists, feet, motor vehicles, etc.) for the same time frame in the U.S. |
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When did the discussion get anywhere near what you are talking about? When did one person with something that resembled an AR-15 shooting up a school, suddenly morph into a discussion about owning a bunker full of guns or nukes? |
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She sort of stole the show. All the macho guy types with their Glock 17s and whatever else were often wildly inaccurate, while my wife calmly put bullet after bullet into the color, many of them inside the 10 ring. I recall our instructor took a look at her target, shook his head and said "I sure as hell don't want to be standing in front of HER". |
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Nice twist on the facts. Very articulate, but very erroneous too. |
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Ironically, when Democrats start chanting about gun control the demand for guns and ammo rises dramatically. Introduce a pandemic and force people to stay home for lockdowns created the huge surge in ammo sales along with millions of first time gun buyers entering the market. |
I would like to posit another point on guns. Why are illegal guns so available? Why are so many poor teens buying guns? I suggest our wonderful failure - WAR ON DRUGS. A young poor kid (not this one) looking at a life of poverty or flipping burgers and comparing that to a life with fast cars and women and all they have to do is sell drugs on street corners and get rich. The life may be short, but it will be fun!
Selling drugs provides the funds to buy these no so inexpensive guns. How many poor teens could drop out of school and buy a Luger or AR15 and ammunition? It is the street sales of illegal drugs that funds it. And the guns are simply a tool needed in that line of business. That is the seed (root cause in my humble opinion). That then leads to all the evils we hear about is large cities - you never hear about a gang doing drive by battings. Legalizing all drugs will eventually eliminate that entire source of funding for purchasing and using guns by teens and all the crime and deaths caused by them. And it would eliminate all the Billions of dollars we spend on the endless useless Drug War. It would eliminate a large source of income for Drug cartels. The only down side would be addicts, and the crime, medical and other costs related to that. And other countries have shown that those costs are more than offset by taxing the drug sales. I propose that one step in stopping gun violence would be to legalize and tax all drugs. Not perfect, it won't stop all gun violence, but I think it is pretty obvious that it would eliminate most. |
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I will not address the "Dems" part, because, I would prefer to not take another vacation too soon. Let's just say that as a liberal democratic socialist, Dems are embarrassing to me. They say the stupidest things. |
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