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But please tell us how many school shooters used fully automatic military weapons. |
What did Thomas Jefferson read? This may get an idea of what the 2nd Amendment meant in at least his eyes.
Thomas Jefferson's Reading Lists And in other Founding Fathers-- Gun Quotes From Our Founding Fathers - 2nd Amendment |
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There's literally one main difference between the US and those other countries. |
I’m tired of hearing of the shootings. No one wants to see kids lives needlessly snuffed out, but banning guns aren’t the answer for the sick mind who did this. We should all count our blessings he didn’t use a pump shotgun with magazine extensions. It would have been much worse. Canada banned assault weapons last year after their last mass shooting where 22 died in Portapique. I guess we will see how that turns out?
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The Japanese play violent video games but it does not correlate to gun violence. They make it hard to get guns.They don't have a fraction of the guns we have. They don't have a percent of the deaths we have and no dead children in schools.
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Crazies will find a way. Sorry to say the world is full of crazies.
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Scrolling through the hundreds of comments, the theme I see most often from the gun supporters is "it's not guns, it's mental health, deal with the actual problem". What I don't get is why the objection to keeping guns (or at least high capacity, mass slaughter type guns) out of the hands of folks with mental health issues until such time as they are "cured" or deemed not at a dangerous level of crazy. Yet, even suggesting that is greeted with howls of "2nd Amendment!, 2nd Amendment". I'm left with the feeling that what gun supporters really want done is nothing. They are fine with a little collateral damage now and then, they’ll shed a couple crocodile tears as long as they can keep their shiny toys. |
TJ; our best president. His main worry was Government control. He was worried about the Federal Government becoming too big, too powerful.
We are there ! |
America: Home of well-regulated women and barely-regulated guns.
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And every time the Administration changes parties we get another swing in "rights". |
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The more shots you can fire in a short period of time, the more likely you'll hit a lot of people. That's why these weapons are the weapons of choice for *mass shooters*. As opposed to - rocks, knives, single-shot rifles and pistols, 6-shooters, crossbows, baseball bats, a car, or a chainsaw (for example). |
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For what it's worth, the 2021 Fentanyl overdose death count of 14 to 18 years old was about 800. For the category of 18 to 45 years old the Fentanyl death count was 64,178. |
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The astoundingly, incredibly, overwhelming high count of rampage killings at any school worldwide is 65 since 1913, with about 589 deaths in total. That's 211 fewer deaths than the count of kids aged 14 to 18 who died due to a Fentanyl overdose in one year alone. List of school massacres by death toll - Wikipedia |
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...........Regardless, it is normally better in a battle to squeeze off a WELL-AIMED shot than to spray shots around on automatic. I know a man that was on patrol in dense jungle in Viet Nam - it was a tense time because enemy forces were assumed to be in the area. His rifle was set on full auto and he heard a loud noise in front of him. He pointed his weapon at the source of the noise and pulled the trigger. The result was a nice Pheasant to eat back at the base. ..........I am NOT sure if this example shows the value of full-automatic or the opposite. |
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"The NICS has conducted more than 300 million checks since launching in 1998, leading to over 3 million denials. The following groups are currently prohibited from owning guns: Convicted felons People under federal domestic restraining orders People convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes against victims they have been married to, lived with, or had a child with People committed to a mental-health facility, or a court ruled were mentally unfit Fugitives People convicted of drug crimes or determined to by a court to be addicted to an illegal controlled substance" The devil, of course, is in the details. For example, the domestic violence check seems to be fine with someone beating the crap out of their girlfriend or boyfriend, just not their wife or husband. Also, the Mental Health category is very squishy with poor record keeping and reporting. It appears that much of the infrastructure is in place to block sales to mentally ill individuals, it's just not being executed very well. Plus, my initial point holds. It's unlikely that the most crazy, homicidal maniac would have a record in the database if they are only 18 by 2 days! Personally, I think applicants should have to prove they are not mentally ill, rather than the other way round as it is today. Mass Killing is mostly a one and done type of crime, as the perp usually takes the cowards way out or lets the cops do it for him/her. |
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.........I wonder how often children and adults have to die in mass murders or get hurt in mass shootings before the FACTS and the SOLUTION sink into the American ethos? |
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..........The majority of the NRA magazine articles became about military weapons and their accessories. I finally realized that US citizens began to hunt less so shotguns and bolt-action deer rifles were becoming less profitable. The gun makers began to VIRTUALLY make up their own (more profitable) market by using near propaganda advertisements that tended to equate masculinity and patriotism with the AR 15 style weapons and 30 round banana mags. ..........Most states at that time required deer hunting to be done with magazines of 5 rounds or less. I believe that Ohio required deer and bear hunting with shotguns - which were considered safer than rifles. I don't know if that has been changed. Myself, I think it would be a little humorous to see some fool hunting deer with a 30-round mag. It would be constantly hung up on tree branches as the hunter moved. There was an old saying, "one shot, one deer, but 3 shots, no deer". ..........The Jan 6th insurrection showed how powerful IS the symbolic connection between pseudo-macho-patriotism and the many flags of the insurgents that glorified military-style AR-15s. NRA propaganda had won that day in the distorted minds of the participants. |
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I agree with you. Harden the schools. Even a ten foot fence around the school with an armed security officer at the gate would probably discourage a killing. Of course, then they would just go to a movie theater, church, shopping mall, etc. At least the kids would be safe for a while. At least until they got older. Yes, I do repeat myself when someone else says the same thing that someone else has said about the subject. More restricting laws just keeps the good citizens honest while taking away a bit more of their freedom and liberty. It doesn't solve the problem, the mentally unstable. And I would rather an occasional unstable running amok than confined security with no option for our own safety. |
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Sorry if you took that as aimed at you. Not meant that way. The use of "you" was not meant for any particular person, and I could have just as easily used the word "they" in it's place. I will go back an edit that so that you won't be offended, which is not what I intended. I am sure you know that if intended, I could use much more descriptive verbiage.:) |
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There are a lot of resources for helping the mentally ill online and other places. There is still a huge stigma attached to asking for help which does stop some people from doing so. I was elated last night when they did a tribute to a soldier lost on a different battlefield. He had committed suicide due to depression. This tragedy told on the Memorial Day Concert done by Gary Sinise and others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb88V9dEoGs National Memorial Day Concert | PBS Make a Donation | Gary Sinise Foundation |
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Why have a bolt action rifle for self defense in your home anyway, when you can have a handgun that is more efficient in your self defense? I agree that it is too late to do anything about the amount of guns in America. And in my opinion (childish?? ha,ha) that is because of how lenient the courts have become and how rampant robberies and assaults have become. People know that it's true that when seconds count, help is minutes away. Ronny Reagan once said: "Because you won't get gun control by disarming law abiding citizens. There's only one way to get real gun control: Disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up, and if you don't actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time. Another of many: We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. |
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Hmm, I would like to know what experience you base your statement upon. I carried a shotgun in Vietnam and it was very effective in jungle fighting. I also carried one as a COP in my car. I also trained and carried a bolt action rifle for sniper use, professionally. It is unlawful to modify a weapon to make it fully automatic. Even bump stock operation was not outlawed in the past because it was not considered a fully automatic operation. Sometimes people speak out about things they have heard without the benefit of experience. |
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My previous wife experienced domestic violence and reported it. Nothing happened. She finally took her kids and escaped to a shelter. Her husband at the time got ****ed, and bought a rifle. Why if that significant? He was a convicted felon and he had no problem buying a gun. So much for “rules” doing any good. Children are dying. How about some plan to do something to slow down the dying. Lots of posts about how important it is to own a gun, few post on how to actually some something to just help. |
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Debating legalities is not going to lead to a solution, even though I agree with your point it doesn’t help. |
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I don't disagree with your statement but I will add this. I have lived in Japan twice in my lifetime. Japan has just about the population of half our country from the Mississippi river to the West coast. All those folks are packed into a country Island about the size of California. They are so crowded that the use of a long rifle is almost impossible. It is so crowded that when I rode their trains, passengers were literally packed/pushed into the train cars so that the doors could close. They also have a totally different culture than we do and have a great bit of respect for each other. Ever heard the expression "save face?" |
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..........One thing I know, Russia and China are happy about the US unraveling! The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, The 3% ers, and other anarchists are overjoyed ! ...........Another thing I know is that the US being the 1st world's leader in wealth disparity does NOT make a society MORE stable. The average person sees the problem when the top 1% ers keep getting wealthier. Jeff Bezos's yacht is about 4 football fields long, with a separate baby yacht to land his girlfriend's helicopter. Elon Musk has done a few strange things. A tax base that helped resurrect the middle class is needed today before things get LESS stable. ........Another thing - the near future (now until 2026) looks pretty dire and unpredictable. I wish the US had 100% of its citizens vote like Australia does! We have a lot to lose! |
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Yes, yes, I saw that movie. |
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behind other countries due to our own stubbornness and glorification of the Western Frontier, rugged individualism, the macho GUN culture, and the AR 15 as a SYMBOL of something (?) emotional. |
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........I thought that was what was wrong with the country? No one takes individual responsibility for anything. ........But, I will let it go as just an agree to disagree situation. |
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For the poster that suggest I go live in Japan, is a perfect example of the intolerance for ANY suggestions to stop this violence. Let's pull together as AMERICANS and solve this. REALLY REALLY lock schools (obviously this Texas school needs correction, if we see SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING and to lighten this post, I hope it's possible on such a serious subject, just sell guns, NO AMMO, giggle
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