[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Growing up see war movies and cowboy movies and we all carried pocket knives and cap pistols.

How come the older generation has not killed itself off?

Do not know the answer but taken guns from law abiding citizens is not it.

Because it was in our face 24 / 7. Social media video games are brutal. The kids and young adults that play video games get so involved with them they are becoming desensitized to what life really is, they don’t see life, they don’t value life the way we used to see and value life.
Movies today are nothing like yesterday. They tend to glorify the more you kill the big better the movie.
It is sad if people really don’t see the correlation of video games and Hollywood with these mass shootings

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Because it was in our face 24 / 7. Social media video games are brutal. The kids and young adults that play video games get so involved with them they are becoming desensitized to what life really is, they don’t see life, they don’t value life the way we used to see and value life.
Movies today are nothing like yesterday. They tend to glorify the more you kill the big better the movie.
It is sad if people really don’t see the correlation of video games and Hollywood with these mass shootings

Social media and and video games exist around the world. So, nope not the cause. And btw, correlation does not equal causation. There is NO, ZERO, ZIP evidence that either CAUSE mass shootings.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by spd2918

The above are just mass shootings from 1996 to 2021. We can see this happens in other countries, some with VERY strict gun laws.

Let's not pretend taking guns from law abiding citizens will change what terrorists, criminals, or nutjobs do.

At least in the US there is a good chance a good guy will stop the violence with his own firearm. Like the Border Patrol Agent did in Texas.

Any easily available comparisons of gun violence by world countries quickly show that the US is, BY FAR, the country with the biggest gun violence problem. WE are numero uno !

[davem4616]

so sad what our grandchildren and our children have to deal with today....

how did we ever get this far out of control?

[Sarah_W]

For over two hundreds years we have had total access to nearly every type of firearm and then Columbine in 1999; and many mass shootings since then. Our access to guns did not change. In other words, you could buy whatever you wanted. So what changed? The only portion of the equation that changed was the people. The access to the internet and the rise of social media has created a new generation of people with low morals and very poor social skills. The AR has been around for over 60 years. Now all of a sudden it is a problem.

People who believe the dogma that it's the gun, it's the gun, lack critical thinking skills and are easily manipulated by the media they watch. That is a major factor why this problem won't be solved.

Law abiding Americans will not voluntarily give up their guns. Forcing them to do so by law will end up with a repeat of 1776. The number of people who would die if such an event happened will make all mass shootings pale in comparison. Gun control fanatics are barking up the wrong tree.

The responsibility of maintaining our Freedom is up to each one of us. Even if you don't exercise your 2nd Amendment Right you should never surrender it. "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty".

[jebartle]

Another possible cause, the pandemic made everyone NUTS!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Back then there were no 30-round "banana clips" or kevlar vests readily available. Guns were for hunting animals NOT PEOPLE. Today IS VERY different from 1965!

You're wrong, I'm afraid.

AR-15 - style rifles (and large capacity 30-round clips), under the original Colt patent, have been sold to and were popular with American gun enthusiasts for well over 50 years. No less an authoritative source than NPR states this: "For more than a half-century, the AR-15 has been popular among gun owners, widely available in gun stores and, for many years, even appeared in the Sears catalog...." ("A Brief History of the AR-15", Greg Myre, NPR, February 28, 2018). Once the colt patent expired, other gun companies began manufacturing the AR-15 type as well. Remember--the type was designed to be sold to America's CIVILIAN population and they've been around for a long time and were quite popular well over a half-century ago.

But guns with large-capacity magazines have been around far longer than that. Keeping it to more-or-less recent history, following WW II hundreds of thousands of surplus M1 Carbines were sold to the public: many by the Federal Government itself at steeply discounted prices under the Civilian Marksmanship Program. They came with 20-round clips but even then, larger clips were available for purchase. I recall seeing the ads in The American Rifleman magazines: you could buy many surplus military rifles, not just the MI Carbine, for as little as $12.00, and as I recall the NRA as well as other retailers sold the large-capacity clips as well.

You may be thinking of the Federal Firearms Control Act, which banned large-capacity magazines (I believe any that held more than eleven rounds) but that was in effect for only 10 years, 1994 to 2004.

The fact of the matter is that semi-automatic rifles with large-capacity clips have been around since the middle of the last century, and were probably a whole lot more available to people then, than the AR-15 models are available for purchase now. But even with the easier access, things like Texas or Columbine just didn't happen then.

Face it. It's a people problem, NOT a gun problem. And until we fix the people, that won't change.

[Caymus]

Seems that the law enforcement response could have been better

MSN

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

You're wrong, I'm afraid.

AR-15 - style rifles (and large capacity 30-round clips), under the original Colt patent, have been sold to and were popular with American gun enthusiasts for well over 50 years. No less an authoritative source than NPR states this: "For more than a half-century, the AR-15 has been popular among gun owners, widely available in gun stores and, for many years, even appeared in the Sears catalog...." ("A Brief History of the AR-15", Greg Myre, NPR, February 28, 2018). Once the colt patent expired, other gun companies began manufacturing the AR-15 type as well. Remember--the type was designed to be sold to America's CIVILIAN population and they've been around for a long time and were quite popular well over a half-century ago.

But guns with large-capacity magazines have been around far longer than that. Keeping it to more-or-less recent history, following WW II hundreds of thousands of surplus M1 Carbines were sold to the public: many by the Federal Government itself at steeply discounted prices under the Civilian Marksmanship Program. They came with 20-round clips but even then, larger clips were available for purchase. I recall seeing the ads in The American Rifleman magazines: you could buy many surplus military rifles, not just the MI Carbine, for as little as $12.00, and as I recall the NRA as well as other retailers sold the large-capacity clips as well.

You may be thinking of the Federal Firearms Control Act, which banned large-capacity magazines (I believe any that held more than eleven rounds) but that was in effect for only 10 years, 1994 to 2004.

The fact of the matter is that semi-automatic rifles with large-capacity clips have been around since the middle of the last century, and were probably a whole lot more available to people then, than the AR-15 models are available for purchase now. But even with the easier access, things like Texas or Columbine just didn't happen then.

Face it. It's a people problem, NOT a gun problem. And until we fix the people, that won't change.

If you remember the days when your company treated you like a family. Many of us joined a company thinking one day you will retire from the same company. There were office parties for your personal celebration and company picnics and yes, pensions for your long dedicated service. Some of us were actually happy to go to work spend time with your co-worker/friends. Then over the years the society changed, Business changed to pursuit of profits regardless of employee happiness. Remember the movie "Wallstreet"? Michael Douglas claimed "Greed is Good".
Now, happy people with guns should have no reason to become a mass murderer. But society changed. Opioid epidemic means killing more people means more profit. In this environment, we must change. We have to limit the availability of guns that can kill people so easily so fast. 2nd amendment yes but when Gov has F-35, what chances average citizens have to resist and win against them. Voting is one way but for guns, I think license/reg/insurance is the way to go to limit the availability.

Sadness

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Caymus

I wondered why the Border Patrol was involved.

Probably just the closest available tactical unit. I heard the question asked about why was NOT the local Fire Station called in because they have BREECHING equipment to knock down doors?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

The Villages population is self-selected to be older and more stable than the average violent younger character throughout the whole US. That is not a good comparison. Rather, compare US violent gun crimes with ANY other country and the US death rate due to guns is GREATLY ahead of Spain, Germany, or any other country. Those charts are easy to find. Increased gun availability equates to greater gun death - it is pretty logical.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by spd2918

The 2nd Ammendment is not about hunting or home protection.
It's about the people having the means to resist a tyranical government.

All "semi-automatic" means is the next bullet is loaded after the last is shot. A revolver loads the next bullet by trigger squeeze (or thumb cocking) and anyone with any skill can achieve the same rate of fire as an AR15. Besides, shooting fast means less accuracy, so it's a wash.

As for the New Zealand and Australia argument, they didn't have many mass shooting before confiscation. Australia did force people into quarantine detention during covid. They could because they did not fear an armed populace.

And the reason gun ownership is up is because people fear a tyranical government. When Seattle allowed a group of Communist thugs to take over the city, people bought guns. When those same Communist thugs laid seige to a Federal Courthouse in Portland, people bought guns.

I'm all for personal choice. If you don't like guns, don't buy one.

Australia did what was best for public health during a Covid surge. It is quite a stretch to relate that to how many armed citizens they have. And Australian citizens have plenty of guns - they are just bolt actions NOT semi-automatic. The slower bolt actions allow citizens time to fight back against mass murderers. Also, a limit on rounds in a clip to 5 would definitely slow down a mass murderer - 30 round banana clips are sick and used by inhumane COWARDS!!!!!!!!

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Maybe we should not let our children play violent video games that gives them the idea that it's ok to kill people ?

Excellent point. I’ve been saying that for two decades now. It’s a training device and when they lose touch with reality their instincts take over . Now there are virtual reality games

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Social media and and video games exist around the world. So, nope not the cause. And btw, correlation does not equal causation. There is NO, ZERO, ZIP evidence that either CAUSE mass shootings.

Agreed.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Villages population is self-selected to be older and more stable than the average violent younger character throughout the whole US. That is not a good comparison. Rather, compare US violent gun crimes with ANY other country and the US death rate due to guns is GREATLY ahead of Spain, Germany, or any other country. Those charts are easy to find. Increased gun availability equates to greater gun death - it is pretty logical.

Compare the gun deaths of any of America's largest inner cities, to the gun deaths in the surrounding suburbs and rural areas.