[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Tough story. Perhaps the solution is that in the near future a convenience store will be operated by a ROBOTIC checkout clerk and a ROBOTIC stocking clerk. Perhaps no cash will be used, with every transaction by credit card in the future.
.....It's a problem needing a solution. I am sure that smart people are working on it. I saw somewhere that McDonalds was experimenting with stores without workers, 100% robotic.

Agreed, And people robbing convince stores are so stupid. I was standing in front of almost $30K in cigarettes - that were not locked. But, they would ask for the cash in the drawer, even thought there are signs saying only $50 in the drawer.

Back up to the door, load up the truck and back seat and head for your local fence and make $10,000 easily. But, no kill a person instead over $50 cash.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Oh please, there is no revolution being planned!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist or an IQ above that of a stupid chimpanzee to figure out what is going on. People are scared about rising violent crime and the government's inability or intentional reluctance to prosecute criminals to fullest extent of the law.

I agree with you about "the revolution" - that's just a right wing wet dream. But, just who is everyone afraid of? On my little 3 block street here in TV there are at least 75-100 AR15s sitting in people's closets. Very few who have one have just one. They take them down to Shooter's World and pay another small fortune to blast away for a while, so they are good and ready for something. They have been told that that TV is a "soft target" (whatever that means) - more like TV is full of gullible old fools.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I agree with you about "the revolution" - that's just a right wing wet dream. But, just who is everyone afraid of? On my little 3 block street here in TV there are at least 75-100 AR15s sitting in people's closets. Very few who have one have just one. They take them down to Shooter's World and pay another small fortune to blast away for a while, so they are good and ready for something. They have been told that that TV is a "soft target" (whatever that means) - more like TV is full of gullible old fools.

Or maybe for some of us shooting is simply a hobby. Some people enjoy knocking a little white ball into a cup, while others like to poke holes in paper. I know for some of you it’s hard to understand, but not everyone with a gun is crazy.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Oh please, there is no revolution being planned!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist or an IQ above that of a stupid chimpanzee to figure out what is going on. People are scared about rising violent crime and the government's inability or intentional reluctance to prosecute criminals to fullest extent of the law.

There is some merit to that argument. My opinion is that RISING violent crime was happening in the 1990s and it is ONLY in the last 2 years that we have that 30% rise in GUN ownership. Something else is going on. Also, the court system has been jammed up since, at least, the 1990s. Also, the US has the world's MOST incarcerated % of people - that is not new.
........I put out my theory about the 30% GUN rise. Which is the EMOTIONAL PROPAGANDA linking the AR-15 style firearms as a SYMBOL STANDING for the HATRED and resentment fomented in the dark web to divide US Americans by race and economic standing. Russian and Chinese propaganda may have lit the spark for this resentment, but some of the sinister, unpatriotic US media has RUN with it and a large % of US citizens have bought it.
.........I am willing to entertain other theories for the big increase in the last 2 years. Many are unaware of that - it is NOT an insignificant situation.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Or maybe for some of us shooting is simply a hobby. Some people enjoy knocking a little white ball into a cup, while others like to poke holes in paper. I know for some of you it’s hard to understand, but not everyone with a gun is crazy.

Fair enough. I did not mean to knock target shooting.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Or maybe for some of us shooting is simply a hobby. Some people enjoy knocking a little white ball into a cup, while others like to poke holes in paper. I know for some of you it’s hard to understand, but not everyone with a gun is crazy.

I believe that there are a lot of sane gun owners. I have enjoyed hunting and shooting at targets (note......I would NEVER shoot at pictures of humans, always a bullseye only) That is NOT the problem. The problem is the type of rifle (something with a 30-round mag) and the sheer number of guns in civilian hands. And the strange recent increase.
........Canada is worried about itself (and its proximity to the US). Canada recognizes the problem. The US has become mentally deranged by the GUN manufacturers' propaganda and advertisements. The ads for the gun used by the shooter at Robb Elementary showed a 3 or 4-year-old seemingly desirous of their AR-15 clone. That is SICK!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is some merit to that argument. My opinion is that RISING violent crime was happening in the 1990s and it is ONLY in the last 2 years that we have that 30% rise in GUN ownership. Something else is going on. Also, the court system has been jammed up since, at least, the 1990s. Also, the US has the world's MOST incarcerated % of people - that is not new.
........I put out my theory about the 30% GUN rise. Which is the EMOTIONAL PROPAGANDA linking the AR-15 style firearms as a SYMBOL STANDING for the HATRED and resentment fomented in the dark web to divide US Americans by race and economic standing. Russian and Chinese propaganda may have lit the spark for this resentment, but some of the sinister, unpatriotic US media has RUN with it and a large % of US citizens have bought it.
.........I am willing to entertain other theories for the big increase in the last 2 years. Many are unaware of that - it is NOT an insignificant situation.

As to "no revolution planned"......many expert social scientists ARE worried about that - nations fall apart more internally than externally. I make the odds about 50 / 50 that the US survives as a Democracy over the next 6 years! Many experts on Dictatorships see worrying trends in the US. The Canadian government has set up a study to evaluate their risk IF the US would lose its Democracy.
.........Those "worrying trends" could be the reason for the recent increase of 30% in US GUN ownership.
..........Every US citizen should have their radar tuned into trends involving violent GUN crime and trends toward autocracy. There are no guarantees that a Democracy continue forever. World trends are in the opposite direction.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Better dealing with bullying and cyberbullying.

Better or not, this is An excellent suggestion. There is a strong correlation between shooter and being bullied.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As to "no revolution planned"......many expert social scientists ARE worried about that - nations fall apart more internally than externally. I make the odds about 50 / 50 that the US survives as a Democracy over the next 6 years! Many experts on Dictatorships see worrying trends in the US. The Canadian government has set up a study to evaluate their risk IF the US would lose its Democracy.
.........Those "worrying trends" could be the reason for the recent increase of 30% in US GUN ownership.
..........Every US citizen should have their radar tuned into trends involving violent GUN crime and trends toward autocracy. There are no guarantees that a Democracy continue forever. World trends are in the opposite direction.

Yes, and wouldn’t it be ironic if the very amendment intended to prevent an authoritarian government ended up aiding in its creation?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Not sure where you get the range of “70-90%” are in favor of “universal background checks”.

Does everyone understand that these checks are meant for private sales? So tell me, since the present FEDERALLY REQUIRED background check system conducted by the FBI, doesn’t work properly, why not fix that system before adding more checks to a system that already doesn’t work?

I suppose this is in line with the “we need more gun laws” mantra. How about first ENFORCING the current laws?

Frankly I am tired of the, if “you” don’t support new gun laws then “you” and the NRA are condoning gun violence. If that is “your” mantra, then “you” must also accept that “you” support fentanyl drug abuse, human trafficking, 32 people per day (per the NHTSA) killed from drunk driving crashes, etc. if “you” aren’t supporting the enforcement of ALL current laws.

How about locking up criminals, support law enforcement, and work on HIPAA and how to address juvenile records in the CURRENT background check system? Will this stop ALL gun related shootings? Reality says no. Would it be is a start to reducing the occurrence? Yes and I would hope EVERYONE would agree at least on that.

Universal does mean private sales and all states.

One of the arguments against gun controls is the loopholes. This is an attempt to close loop holes. It does nothing to prevent responsible gun owners from buying or selling gu s, just reduces the ease of criminals buying guns - reduce, not eliminate .

I am all for your suggestion the juvenile records be open to background checks.

I don’t see how prosecuting will stop school shootings like this one, until the children are dead. We need to prevent children from dying needlessly, AND punish criminals.

[frose]

broken homes, no parental supervision, easy killing video games, internet, social media, what did i miss.. if the teachers were armed this would not have happened, if an armed officer was in the school this would not have happened, if the doors were closed and locked as required, this would not have happened. i will not get political, but dam, wake up!!!!!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know what Root Cause Analysis and Six Sigma is. But I do know how to do a google search and check actual case law and state statutes and regulations.

Your information is correct ONLY as it applies to licensed firearms dealers. It doesn't apply to private sales, or gun shows in Texas. Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show, no background check, no license or ID necessary.

At gun shows the vast majority of sellers are federally licensed gun dealers and are required to follow federal law regarding background checks. There is absolutely no "loop hole" that allows them to not perform checks.

Yes, there are private individuals selling guns, from their private collection, at gun shows and under federal law are not required to do a background check. Also federal law makes it a felony for a prohibited person to purchase, own, or possess a firearm. So who is breaking the law, the private seller who is complying with federal law or the prohibited person who is illegally buying a firearm?

It is also illegal for a private seller to sell guns as a business without obtaining a federal license. They can legally sell private collection firearms, but when it goes beyond selling a gun or multiple guns in the collection to fund another gun for their collection, it becomes a business and violation of federal law.

Additionally, private individuals are not allowed access to the NICS federal database so how are they to perform a background check? Many licensed gun dealers aren't going to be willing to take their time to perform a background check for a private seller when the dealer will derive no revenue for the service.

I suppose a law could be drafted that would allow access to the NICS database but do you want any Tom, Dick and Harry to be able to do a background check on OBB? A law could be passed that requires licensed dealers to perform the check but who will set the price for that service? If the price is too high and too time consuming or icredibilly inconvenient, a lot of private sellers will ignore the check and just sell the firearm.

OBB, you need to do a deeper Google search for your information.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If she could have ONLY legally purchased a bolt action or single-shot rifle he could have killed fewer children before he was overpowered!

Who was going to overpower him in a classroom full of small children?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

I don't think it is hypocrisy. The NRA as well as the attendees are not against guns being at the convention. I've been to NRA conventions myself and had not problem carrying my handgun. It is the Secret Service who is dictating that no guns be present. That is the case at every single event that a person attends who they are charged to protect. Where any former President speaks, it will have to be gun free. As we can see from the recent headline where some Iraqi's were conspiring to kill George W. Bush. They don't have to be a sitting President to be at risk and the Secret Service will reduce as much risk as possible.

In most cases it doesn't require the President or other such dignitary for an event to have a prohibition of firearms on the premises. Most of the NRA and other organizations that hold conventions do so in a public owned facility. It is the entity controlling/owning the facility that has the authority to ban firearms and most if not all have a ban against firearms.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Fire exits are locked to those on the outside. In case of emergency, you push the lever and the door opens. Emergency services have the ability to access the entrances also. However, a remote control from the office can be utilized if they wish to lock and unlock doors by use of a button. Many schools in the inner cities lock all doors to keep the drug pushers out during school session.

Prisons have heavily controlled ingress and egress and still are able to evacuate the facility in the event of fire. Just requires a plan and proper execution of the plan.