[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.

Wow some people do confuse fiction for facts.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

You should take a police training class to get a better idea of what the life of a police officer is like.

I have and one thing they put us thru is a simulation where you are chasing someone in your cruiser and he gets out and from a distance puts you in a threatening position.

They are trained at that time to take action against that threat

If you order someone to face you showing your hands and instead turn your back and reach for something that cannot be seen by the officers they are entitled to defend themselves.

They are not expected to stand there and wait until the suspect points a gun and shoots at them.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

2 people murdered and a third shot and might have to lose his arm, as a result of the rioting so far. One person so far has been arrested for at least one of the murders:
a 17 year old white kid from another state who showed up with an AR-15, on purpose to create trouble.

But please tell me again how BLM is responsible for this?

These riots, burnings looting and murders by rioters are being orchestrated by people from all over by BLM, a terrorist organization. Authorities have not acted to stop these violent riots. It appears to me that this fortunately well armed 17 year old was brutally attacked by violent rioters and acted in self defense. He was prepared and knew how to defend himself with that weapon when he was violently battered, thank God, or he likely would have been killed or maimed for life by violent thugs. Jacob Blake shooting: Two shot dead at Kenosha BLM protests | Daily Mail Online

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

These riots, burnings looting and murders by rioters are being orchestrated by people from all over by BLM, a terrorist organization. Authorities have not acted to stop these violent riots. It appears to me that this fortunately well armed 17 year old was brutally attacked by violent rioters and acted in self defense. He was prepared and knew how to defend himself with that weapon when he was violently battered, thank God, or he likely would have been killed or maimed for life by violent thugs. Jacob Blake shooting: Two shot dead at Kenosha BLM protests | Daily Mail Online

Will be interested to find out whether or not this kid had a) a legal Illinois ID, which would need to have been signed by a legal guardian or parent since he's not 21 years old, b) a legal license to carry in Illinois, which he'd need to possess the firearm while he was in his home state, c) a legal license to carry in Wisconsin, which he'd need to possess while in Wisconsin.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess he was lacking in at least one, if not all, of these permissions.

He showed up with a semi-automatic rifle, to what he knew would be a riot, intent on participating in a riot. He killed someone in that riot, and was arrested for killing them.

I'd say the police did the right thing by arresting this kid. Unless you think the police should have given him a gimme since he's white, and therefore "just being a kid?"

[santiagobob]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Blake was trying to stop a fight between two women and when the police came he told them that now that you are here, you take over. He then went to his car to leave and for some reason the cops stopped him. He was not reaching into his car for "something" he was trying to drive his 3 children home. Then the cop shot him 7 times in the back, even in the wild, wild west in the 1800's ,shooting someone in the back was considered the most cowardly action a person could do to a person and was always called Murder. Also, what responsible cop would shoot into a car with 3 children in it. Bullets do bounce off any metal and can kill others.

[manaboutown]

Although it is very difficult to obtain information on Blake as it probably has been wiped from internet sources I managed to find that at age 29 he already had fathered six kids and had a long history of sometimes violent sexual crimes issues. An enquiring mind wants to know how many of his children were illegitimate, how many was he actually supporting and how many were on welfare?

There was a warrant out for his arrest. He was known to be violent and to have used guns to commit crimes. He was resisting arrest and reaching under the front seat of his SUV for what, quite possibly a handgun.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

I don't remember George Floyd being armed, was he? I do remember seeing cops surrounding him on the ground with one of them pressing their knee against Floyd's neck while he couldn't breath.

Floyd overdosed on fentanyl. He was claiming he could not breath while he was resisting arrest leaning up against a wall.Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal | The Daily Wire

[Mrprez]

The police were dispatched to the scene as Blake was in a place he was not supposed to be and took his wife’s keys and wouldn’t return them. If there was a fight, he instigated it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

The police were dispatched to the scene as Blake was in a place he was not supposed to be and took his wife’s keys and wouldn’t return them. If there was a fight, he instigated it.

The incident with his ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife) happened in JUNE.

The incident with the police shooting him in the back happened this week.

It isn't even known yet whether or not the police even knew there was a warrant for his arrest, when they shot him. He was in the process breaking up a fight between two women, when the police arrived, supposedly in response to the fight between the two women.

Since they don't wear body cameras in Kenosha but only microphones, it isn't going to be clear what actually happened, or why. It will be the word of one black guy who has an arrest warrant on him, versus the word of police officers.

And since everyone knows black men who are wanted for a crime are incapable of ever telling the truth, ever, of course the police version of what happened will be considered as factual. Right?

[Mrprez]

Kenosha updates: Wisconsin DOJ says Blake had knife in car, names officer who shot him

You can also listen to the police dispatcher on a YouTube video clearly stating the reason the police were here.

Jacob Blake Initial Call And Radio Transmissions (Full Video) - YouTube

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by santiagobob

Blake was trying to stop a fight between two women and when the police came he told them that now that you are here, you take over. He then went to his car to leave and for some reason the cops stopped him. He was not reaching into his car for "something" he was trying to drive his 3 children home. Then the cop shot him 7 times in the back, even in the wild, wild west in the 1800's ,shooting someone in the back was considered the most cowardly action a person could do to a person and was always called Murder. Also, what responsible cop would shoot into a car with 3 children in it. Bullets do bounce off any metal and can kill others.

From what I have heard a lot more to his actions than what you are saying. However lets wait for the investigation to be sure.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The incident with his ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife) happened in JUNE.

The incident with the police shooting him in the back happened this week.

It isn't even known yet whether or not the police even knew there was a warrant for his arrest, when they shot him. He was in the process breaking up a fight between two women, when the police arrived, supposedly in response to the fight between the two women.

Since they don't wear body cameras in Kenosha but only microphones, it isn't going to be clear what actually happened, or why. It will be the word of one black guy who has an arrest warrant on him, versus the word of police officers.

And since everyone knows black men who are wanted for a crime are incapable of ever telling the truth, ever, of course the police version of what happened will be considered as factual. Right?

Straw man fallacy; occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it in some kind of extreme way and then attacks the extreme distortion as if that is really the claim the first person or group is making.

You make the argument that the people commenting on this topic believe all black men wanted for a crime lie and all police tell the truth. I have read through the comments and don't see where this has been claimed. I may have missed it though.

You state we'll never know what happened because there is only audio of what happened because the police don't have body cams. We have two videos and the audio. We also have witness testimony.

There are two polar opposite views being presented. One in which Mr Blake was the victim of racist cops or cowardly cops too afraid to wait and see what Mr Blake was about to do as he entered his SUV. The police should've been able to apprehend Mr Blake without shooting him. 7 shots were too many and proof the police acted nefariously or with racial hatred. Mr Blake was there with good intentions to prevent a fight and was leaving with his kids when he was attacked and killed by the racist cops.

The other view is one in which Mr Blake was a wanted man who fought with police attempting to arrest him on an open warrant and when that failed they tasered him and when that didn't work they pulled their guns as he ignored them and walked to his driver's side door and when that didn't work the cop pulled on his shirt as Mr Blake opened his driver's side door and finally when that didn't work, Mr Blake bent forward into the vehicle and the officer shot him 7 times in the back.

It will be interesting to hear the audio from the officer's microphones.

I have stated in past postings that the villages is the most racist place I've ever lived in. I've said this because of the number of times I've heard the "n" word tossed about and the time I read a post in which a black person was a crook or scammer because he was black and not for any other reason. Later to be proven a legitimate roofing contractor. A few other comments etc not worth going into. But I don't believe the comments I've read in this post have been racist. Admittedly I could have missed it. I don't think anyone is racist for believing Mr Blake acted in a way that lead himself down the path he chose. He did so with reckless disregard for the safety of everyone around him, including his children.

Show me racism and I'll stand with you to defeat it. Believing Mr Blake was wrong for what he did and the cops did everything they could to not shoot him is not a racially driven belief.

Calling someone a racist has become the trademark of someone that has lost an argument or when a person lacks the ability to articulate their view. When their view is not adopted they simply fall back on ad hominem. The term should be reserved for when it's truly proven and to shame the individual or organization publicly.

[manaboutown]

The police were responding to a call from a woman that Blake was unlawfully on the premises. He had been tased but continued resisting arrest. Blake had knife in car when Kenosha cop shot him: Wisconsin DOJ | Fox News

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Floyd overdosed on fentanyl. He was claiming he could not breath while he was resisting arrest leaning up against a wall.

Sure, if you say so ...

[Dzurinko]

It’s funny how the media was saying an hour after the incident, that police shot an “unarmed“ man in the back. Was he unarmed?? No one knows 3 days later except the investigating officer and they refuse to speak about it until the investigation is 100% complete and the city is burned down! So why does the media use terms like “unarmed” when it hasn’t been established.