[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

If you haven't seen Jacob Blake's mother speak at the press conference in Kenosha today, it's worth watching. She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve. She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Jacob Blake’s Mother Says Son Would be ‘Unpleased’ by Response to Kenosha Shooting – NBC Chicago

And her son was an angel too. Wonder how much money ratcheted up on the "go fund me" page as she spoke. Harsh? Maybe if she lived her words, her son would not be a felon today and not laying in a hospital. Hope she is not raising his kids.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.

What situation could possibly justify NOT listening to the police and NOT following their commands? That is crazy talk to think there could be a possible reason to not listen to the police. LEOs have weapons will use them if they are threatened.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

The whole key to this will be what he reached for and/or what did the police believe he was reaching for?

As Gracie says, a person's record has everything to do with the way that he's treated by the police. When police know that they are dealing with a multiple violent offender, they are going to be more aware and more on edge than when dealing with someone that has run a stop sign and has no record. They are more concerned about their lives and safety and may be quicker to react.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

Or maybe he said nothing, open the car door and reached for a gun.

He had already resisted arrest, scuffled with the police and was tased. A person who continues to resist after being tased is a major concern to police. They are often on drugs that will give them additional strength.

Why don't we all stop with the "maybes" and wait until an investigation is done and we have more information.

Most of the trouble that we see in this country today is because of speculation, assumptions and "maybes".

His family has already retained civil liberty lawyers who have made speeches stating that this shooting was not justified. They have no business making those kind of statements without all of the information. There is a lot of talk about how this happened in front of his three kids. That has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

Just like in the George Floyd case, too many people are jumping to conclusions without all of the evidence.

[Red White & Blue]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve.
She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:

Bag full of BS! "He (my son) would not approve", rioting and fighting with cops. So what does he do - fight with cops.
This is begging to sound like a Rodney King scenario, "can't we all get along".

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.

totally agree and now they have an excuse to burn their city and the business that provide them jobs.

When they file for unemployment would hope they would be handed a piece of paper explaining no unemployment due to their own stupidity.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Why are police shooting people at nearly point blank 7 times IN THE BACK? They couldn't be trained this way.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I don't remember George Floyd being armed, was he? I do remember seeing cops surrounding him on the ground with one of them pressing their knee against Floyd's neck while he couldn't breath.

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Good comment BAY KID! I'm not going to point my finger just at a black man or white man but when these people that get shot & don't do what the police ask they wouldn't be getting shot & this doesn't have nothing to do with BLM. It's Black Lives DON"T LISTEN. Then this brain dead black guy reaches in his car for something. What if he came out with a gun & shot this officer, would BLM burn the h _ _ _ out of their city & loot for this officer, NO. Do what your asked to do & don't be brain dead black person & walk away when you're asked to do something. Black don't know it but they're not going to win in the end. They're just making the Police harder & they're just getting fed up with these so called blacks doing what they want. Good for the Police & thank you for hanging in there putting up with all of this crap.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.

[Taltarzac725]

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia

People should read up on the OK Corral gunfight which involved a lot of back-and-forth between these gangs before the 30 shots in 30 seconds or whatever that actual number was.

And Wyatt Earp rarely fired his gun while a lawman. He did take a revenge ride after his brother was murdered and other brother shot.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

2 people murdered and a third shot and might have to lose his arm, as a result of the rioting so far. One person so far has been arrested for at least one of the murders:
a 17 year old white kid from another state who showed up with an AR-15, on purpose to create trouble.

But please tell me again how BLM is responsible for this?