[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I like the zebra image. Black and white zebras matter!
To Mr 0580.....good post. Good historic play-by-play about the ethnic blending. Yes, nothing to be gained by vandalizing. It sets all good causes back.

Well the zebra is about as integrated as it gets.

Wonder if they still make integrated ice cream sodas in NYC? Chocolate syrup with vanilla ice cream and whipped cream.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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With what is going on across our country - are OUR VILLAGES statues safe?

Are they 'offending' anyone?

Can they be targetted?


Should we be guarding them too?

I think I saw Gracie with an AK 47 guarding Harold's statue the other day.

[NFRicaS]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Doesnt seem to matter who are what you are.

To these people if a statue you are fair game.

ALL Racist statues should go...not ALL statues are racist....

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

ALL Racist statues should go...not ALL statues are racist....

When will they rename New York and Yale?

It will take a lot of dynamite to blow up Mt Rushmore.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

When will they rename New York and Yale?

It will take a lot of dynamite to blow up Mt Rushmore.

I'm trying to find it but "if" I remember some history from way back, Samuel Ellis, who owned Ellis Island and was named for, was a slave owner. The name Effy comes to mind. Might be a busy night.
Steve

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

I'm trying to find it but "if" I remember some history from way back, Samuel Ellis, who owned Ellis Island and was named for, was a slave owner. The name Effy comes to mind. Might be a busy night.
Steve

Found it....interesting stuff....history I mean.


Reports of Cases Adjudged in the Supreme Court of Judicature of the State of ... - New York (State). Supreme Court, William Johnson - Google Books

Steve

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

I'm trying to find it but "if" I remember some history from way back, Samuel Ellis, who owned Ellis Island and was named for, was a slave owner. The name Effy comes to mind. Might be a busy night.
Steve

Mere slave owners are amateurs compared to Duke of York and Yale. They were both slave traders. York's company brought more slaves to the new world than any other person.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

ALL Racist statues should go...not ALL statues are racist....

And who gets to decide if statues should go? A mob?

Last I heard we are a nation of laws.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

When will they rename New York and Yale?

It will take a lot of dynamite to blow up Mt Rushmore.

We can rename their baseball team the New Indigenous Peoples Yankees.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

What "document?"

How about...his OWN WORDS?!

Click Here

Rape, slavery and plunder has been in the history of the world. Every race and nationality has engaged in this practice. Greeks, Egyptians, Asians, Africans, Asians, Europeans, American Indians, Pacific Islanders, Incans, Aztecs, etc. That was the way of the world and probably still is in many ways.

Yet, there were still several notable persons that advanced the world in significant ways. They are the ones remembered for both good and bad. Some of these persons were not good people and I would suggest Hitler as an example. There may be a statue of him somewhere. But the fact that he was not good does not justify destruction. Better to leave it as an example of changing values. Would be a better example to future populations to be able to see the image and story of what was once admired as a warning . Destroying statues is simply vandalism at the very least.

Saw some reference that because someone born in the north having a statue is immune unless he owned slaves. Well that doesn't stop anything. Destroying public property or private property should not be condoned by anyone.

Think about someone who was molested by someone else who was murdered by a policeman. Does the molested person have a right to destroy the murdered man's tombstone?

[jenistaf]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Actually you are very wrong about China and their history.

Was fortunate to spend some time touring there last year and saw a lot of history.

From the Forbidden city to Terracotta warriors they do know and study their history.

They are still a communist dictatorship and keep a lot of control of their country.

So... When you were there, how many monuments did you see celebrating Mao's Great Leap Forward (20 million deaths) and Mao's Cultural Revolution (hundreds of thousands more)?

And when you visited TianAnMen square there in central Beijing I'm sure you couldn't have missed the memorial to the 1989 massacre of students by Peoples Liberation Army tanks...

Maybe we should say the Chinese know and study the version of history that the Communist Party finds it convenient to teach them. Other ideas not welcome.