[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Suggest you do a little further research than just a "news" article from a company that sells food additives and preservatives. It's not so much that we have additives in our foods but what type of additives are being used. Many are petroleum based. When's the last time your doctor said, " take a teaspoon of crude oil and call me in the morning"? The manner in which foods are processed is a problem too. Toxic chemicals are used and vitals nutrients lost.

Lots of health problems being discovered related to our food supply. No doubt other environmental factors are at play as well. It's time we impartially research causes and take steps to remedy the problems. No more letting big business profit at the expense of our health.

Remember the good ole days when a loaf of bread got moldy within 5 days?

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by mraines

Are you insinuating that vaccines are responsible?

I'm interested in someone providing a reasonable explanation about the situation I described -- which has occurred many, many times. So far, on this longish thread, no one has an explanation.

The reality is that, yes, it was after taking numerous vaccine injections later than is typical - probably between 9 months to 2 or 3 years old, some children experienced dramatic changes in their learning abilities and/or personalities. It was obvious because the parents and Doctor already had baselines for those related to that child.

It's hardly news, this information, the stories and the data have been around for many years. But, for some truly bizarre reason, some people regard vaccines like a religion - they simply believe. Which is a mighty strange way to approach chemicals being injected into your body.....for which only you incur the risk. The pharma companies have none.

Let's see what the HHS/NIH agencies come up with after they study the autism problem and potential causes.

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Remember the good ole days when a loaf of bread got moldy within 5 days?

But, think how much longer we're living from ingesting all those preservatives. They're preserving us too! LOL....

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

I'm interested in someone providing a reasonable explanation about the situation I described -- which has occurred many, many times. So far, on this longish thread, no one has an explanation.

The reality is that, yes, it was after taking numerous vaccine injections later than is typical - probably between 9 months to 2 or 3 years old, some children experienced dramatic changes in their learning abilities and/or personalities. It was obvious because the parents and Doctor already had baselines for those related to that child.

It's hardly news, this information, the stories and the data have been around for many years. But, for some truly bizarre reason, some people regard vaccines like a religion - they simply believe. Which is a mighty strange way to approach chemicals being injected into your body.....for which only you incur the risk. The pharma companies have none.

Let's see what the HHS/NIH agencies come up with after they study the autism problem and potential causes.

Yeah! Forget the hundreds of hours of trials to get FDA approval and forget the dozens (if not hundreds) of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines autism! Wait till the skeptics, conspiracy theorists, and simple wackos CREATE the result they are looking for!

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

..... forget the dozens (if not hundreds) of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines autism!

Ahem, you need to check the facts on that claim. No hundreds and no dozens. Have there been ANY credible studies about that? That weren't funded or influenced by big pharma? (Which would, of course, make them not credible.) I'd be happy to review links to any.

I think you are repeating media claims. Aaah yes, the 21st century Mockingbird Media. It's astounding how successful they are in acquiring believers via sheer repetition.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

Ahem, you need to check the facts on that claim. No hundreds and no dozens. Have there been ANY credible studies about that? That weren't funded or influenced by big pharma? (Which would, of course, make them not credible.) I'd be happy to review links to any.

I think you are repeating media claims. Aaah yes, the 21st century Mockingbird Media. It's astounding how successful they are in acquiring believers via sheer repetition.

The simple answer is no, there are no studies that you will agree are credible.

There are dozens if not hundreds of studies
They were performed by professional researchers in respected labs
They were reviewed by experts in the field
They were published in respected journals
They all show no link between vaccines and autism
But because you don't like that result, they are not credible.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yeah! Forget the hundreds of hours of trials to get FDA approval and forget the dozens (if not hundreds) of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines autism! Wait till the skeptics, conspiracy theorists, and simple wackos CREATE the result they are looking for!

The person you're responding to has chosen to believe alt-facts (aka: lies) instead of science. Conspiracy versus actuality. Rumor and innuendo versus facts. Things he read on an alt-med website or saw on some internet "doctor's" viral YouTube video, versus the myriad of double-blind peer-reviewed studies by research scientists who specialize in virology and medicine. If you make a claim, he'll tell you it's fake news. If you cite a source, he'll claim it's big pharma propaganda.

Let the man have his delusions. It's making "big suppla" rich and those guys who peddle high colonics are lining their prepper bunkers with dollar bills.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

The degree of advancement of a society is how it treats the poor, the disabled, and the elderly. The tradeoff is cost and time to keep this portion of society functioning.

The downside is that we are the products of evolution of discarding any poor/faulty genetic combinations, and therefore strongest gene pool survives. The more complex the organism, the more fragile the existence is. . there are trade offs.

The degree of advancement of a society is how it treats the poor, the disabled, and the elderly.

I agree and this probably means that the Nordic counties are ahead of the US in social compassion.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The simple answer is no, there are no studies that you will agree are credible.

There are dozens if not hundreds of studies
They were performed by professional researchers in respected labs
They were reviewed by experts in the field
They were published in respected journals
They all show no link between vaccines and autism
But because you don't like that result, they are not credible.

If there is one thing we learned during Covid, it is that Big government, big pharma and the medical industry can not be trusted 100% when their special interest and power are at stake.
They denied that there were any dangerous side effects of the vaccine and that Covid did not pose a serious threat of severe illness to the young and healthy. They also put out a false story about how COVID started in a wet market. Have you noticed that nobody is making that claim anymore?
That being said, there was one seemingly credible study which supported the premise that the MMR vaccine was not dangerous to young children.
A Japanese research study has provided the strongest proof yet that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination does not cause autism, by showing that rates of autism in Japan continued to rise even after the triple vaccine was withdrawn.
Japanese study is more evidence that MMR does not cause autism - PMC.
But there were also many reports to VAERS that children became very sick including some who became Autistic. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the rates of Autism sky rocketed around the same time that the MMR was rolled out.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ithos

If there is one thing we learned during Covid, it is that Big government, big pharma and the medical industry can not be trusted 100% when their special interest and power are at stake.
They denied that there were any dangerous side effects of the vaccine and that Covid did not pose a serious threat of severe illness to the young and healthy. They also put out a false story about how COVID started in a wet market. Have you noticed that nobody is making that claim anymore?
That being said, there was one seemingly credible study which supported the premise that the MMR vaccine was not dangerous to young children.
A Japanese research study has provided the strongest proof yet that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination does not cause autism, by showing that rates of autism in Japan continued to rise even after the triple vaccine was withdrawn.
Japanese study is more evidence that MMR does not cause autism - PMC.
But there were also many reports to VAERS that children becamevery sick including some who became Autistic. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the rates of Autism sky rocketed around the same time that the MMR was rolled out.

I particularly liked this quote:

Liberal Democrat MP Evan Harris, who sits on the House of Commons science and technology select committee, does not think that the new findings will dispel anxiety about the MMR vaccines. "The problem is you can't prove a negative. The people making a link are not using rational arguments, so the usual scientific approach will never convince them, and they will continue to lobby in the media

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

I'm interested in someone providing a reasonable explanation about the situation I described -- which has occurred many, many times. So far, on this longish thread, no one has an explanation.

The reality is that, yes, it was after taking numerous vaccine injections later than is typical - probably between 9 months to 2 or 3 years old, some children experienced dramatic changes in their learning abilities and/or personalities. It was obvious because the parents and Doctor already had baselines for those related to that child.

It's hardly news, this information, the stories and the data have been around for many years. But, for some truly bizarre reason, some people regard vaccines like a religion - they simply believe. Which is a mighty strange way to approach chemicals being injected into your body.....for which only you incur the risk. The pharma companies have none.

Let's see what the HHS/NIH agencies come up with after they study the autism problem and potential causes.

Not believing in vaccines IS like a religion. It is like a flat earth society. Measles is the obvious example. It was eradicated in the US for years and THEN the anti-vaxxers come along and RUINED a good thing. Because of their stupidity many people have died and the US has one MORE unnecessary problem to deal with. Way to go anti-vaxxer, anti-government types.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not believing in vaccines IS like a religion. It is like a flat earth society. Measles is the obvious example. It was irradiated in the US for years and THEN the anti-vaxxers come along and RUIN a good thing. Because of their stupidity many people have died and the US has one MORE unnecessary problem to deal with. Way to go anti-vaxxer, anti-government types.

There is no serious movement opposing all vaccines. It is the MMR that has drawn the most criticism. And to date there has been no rational or credible scientific explanation for the dramatic rise of Autism. I am optimistic that HHS will find the root cause.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ithos

There is no serious movement opposing all vaccines. It is the MMR that has drawn the most criticism. And to date there has been no rational or credible scientific explanation for the dramatic rise of Autism. I am optimistic that HHS will find the root cause.

Maybe they changed the definition of autism? It seemed pretty narrow in the 1970s and 1980s. History of autism - Wikipedia

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

It was reported that 1 in 31 newborns will have autism. Autism does have different levels, say 1-5 which it never had in the past, 50's or 60's. So diagnosis is much better now where it was minimal years ago. In the 70's it was 1 in 54.

So part of the reason is better diagnosis. However, what is around today that wasn't around in the 60's. You guessed it Marijuana!

41% of people 19-34 either use or have used Mary Jane. And now that it is a recreational accepted drug, pregnant women seem to think it isn't harmful to a fetus.
I still don't agree with calling it a fetus, it's a baby. Mary Jane just doesn't leave your system overnite.

I think the government will eventually find this out that it's not whats in the water that causes autism. It's in the smoke. Admitting it will be another issue so they don't disturb a multi million dollar business. DAH

South Korea has the highest Autism rate and they definitely don’t have a weed problem.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Maybe they changed the definition of autism? It seemed pretty narrow in the 1970s and 1980s. History of autism - Wikipedia

This current season of Survivor has a contestant with Autism. The only reason I know this is because she told people. I also have 2 nieces that are both autistic but one has to live in a home for special needs and the other lives her life like a normal person and just got married.