[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Nanny32162

I do believe that when one is first being arrested, as Mr. Floyd was being, the officers do not have your name, which means they do not have your record - clean or unclean. Once someone has served his/her time, it's done. This man had kept a clean record for a number of years. Let's get off Mr. Floyd and look at who caused all the unrest. One man, one police officer cause the cauldron of anger over racial inequality and racial injustice to boil over. Talk about Derek Chauvin and his previous use of excessive force. Chauvin is just one example of the many ways black men and women are treated unjustly, unfairly, and are killed needlessly by the white establishment.

I don't know. I do know this. If Mr. Floyd was a regular at this mini-mart. If indeed he did come in with two other people earlier and they tried to use a fake twenty dollar bill and the clerk caught it and returned it to them...…...And then he returned...………

And they called the police and gave his name, the police always try to run the name in their computer.

There is so much we don't know and we don't really know who to trust when we read something...……...Other than the usual reliable ones...; The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, AP Wire. etc.etc.and etc. Not Mother Jones are The Epoch Times...….

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os

It appeared to me that the sustained compression to his neck not only blocked his airway, it also compromised blood flow to his brain by compressing his carotid artery. That likely caused brain death. The reason he died is because a bad cop caused his death. My son was a police officer, he would never had stood by and allowed this to happen. If I am correct, there were two autopsies, one by the family and one by the state medical examiner. Regardless of the technical reason he died, this never should have happened.

Absolutely never should have happened. I am still a bit confused as to how a man who can't breathe and has impaired circulation to his brain can talk. I'd like to see the full autopsy reports.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Dead on.

Then there are those that keep wanting to imply (without a scintilla of proof and contrary to all known video) that maybe this obvious killing force by the cop was needed, because Mr. Floyd was on some kind of drug...that gave him superpowers.

Apologists, who make things up out of thin air, are 'almost' as bad...as the other cops that just sat there and watched a black man being murdered.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn, that the murdering cop was known by his co-officers to have been a bully toward African-American's forever and the blue veil of silence/union pressure kept him from being turned in...long before this tragedy.

It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.

[regas56]

Originally Posted by MEbner2805

Biden is a corrupt medical examiner who was banned in many states! Nothing he does can be believed at all! The original unbiased medical examiner is the only one who can be believed!!!

That's true and the Minneapolis Medical Examiner listed it as a Homicide..Easy to google 100 different news outlets that confirm it was a Murder plain and simple..

[regas56]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Absolutely never should have happened. I am still a bit confused as to how a man who can't breathe and has impaired circulation to his brain can talk. I'd like to see the full autopsy reports.

You must know you can't breath and talk at the same time.. You ever been to a concert where the singer is holding a note for awhile and then is forced to stop and breathe? You heard the phrase stop and take a deep breath? That's probably going to be the cops idiot defense "Duh" I thought since he was talking he could breathe .. What a joke everyone knows you can't take air in (breathe) while you're expelling air out (talk)..

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.

We agree!


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[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by regas56

You must know you can't breath and talk at the same time.. You ever been to a concert where the singer is holding a note for awhile and then is forced to stop and breathe? You heard the phrase stop and take a deep breath? That's probably going to be the cops idiot defense "Duh" I thought since he was talking he could breathe .. What a joke everyone knows you can't take air in (breathe) while you're expelling air out (talk)..

I applaud your attempt at common sense, but I'm afraid it will have little-to-no effect with those that (even subtly) will continue to try and deflect...from it being purposeful murder.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.

AGREE with every word, but it seems that you and many only say that when it suits.

YEP....been pointed out on here many times......as much as our government leader(s) want to tag us very bad people if we do not walk lock step, thats not true.

As many baseless personal attacks and baseless accusations are made, there are groups that simply "buy in" and will never speak up. Why is that ? Only answer I recall is "whatever simply being whatever" and things such as that.

The labels you speak of are applied to skin color, ethnicity, and registration, with no thought that they are individual human beings....Americans who actually fought for their country.

Oh and it was nice of you to say that certain designated folks "Most of them look like decent folks to me. " That was really very magnanimous of you, but you know, if I said that about a group or a person, I will be attacked....strange world we are building.

Lets all look inward for once

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

AGREE with every word, but it seems that you and many only say that when it suits.

YEP....been pointed out on here many times......as much as our government leader(s) want to tag us very bad people if we do not walk lock step, thats not true.

As many baseless personal attacks and baseless accusations are made, there are groups that simply "buy in" and will never speak up. Why is that ? Only answer I recall is "whatever simply being whatever" and things such as that.

The labels you speak of are applied to skin color, ethnicity, and registration, with no thought that they are individual human beings....Americans who actually fought for their country.

Oh and it was nice of you to say that certain designated folks "Most of them look like decent folks to me. " That was really very magnanimous of you, but you know, if I said that about a group or a person, I will be attacked....strange world we are building.

Lets all look inward for once

Some people are so unaware of their own feelings they don't realize how others see mostly just one emotion when they communicate.

[sallybowron]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?

Why would it not be?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Some people are so unaware of their own feelings they don't realize how others see mostly just one emotion when they communicate.

On the assumption that your smart remark is aimed at me, you are correct.

As you know, you and I agreed for many years.

I am very well aware of my feelings and we split on feelings when I just flat out refused to betray my feelings to a preposterous situation.

I stand in fear for a place I fought for, defended, and worked for. I stand in fear of a lot right now.

Because of that, I admit I have become full of one emotion when faced with a daily onset of lies, and hate.

I do not think I stand alone and I apologize to nobody for not giving up my moral standards and belief in the power of truth and empathy.

Some have simply rolled over and I have not. If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.

[bpascani]

He was unarmed, already hand cuffed, and there were 4 officers... This was beyond necessary. If he was being violent (with his hands cuffed behind his back), his other 3 officers would have been involved in helping. They were just standing there! Either way, he's dead now, at the hands of this officer...on tape.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is an episode on LivePD. Here an officer is leaning on this man's neck with his forearm. This happened in Pasco County, Florida in December of 2018. Listen and watch to the end.

I think I remember the statistics on death by drug overdose in 2019, as around 70,000 deaths. Sometimes drugs give people resisting arrest superhuman strength. Here it took three officers to get this man to allow them to put handcuffs on. And there was Cocaine.

I guess no matter which side you choose, you can always bring up that those weren't really HIS pants and the cops put the drugs on him.

I admit to being prejudiced toward law enforcement.

Watch this video.

Live PD - Resisting Arrest “I was eating a fu***** Apple fritter” - YouTube

This video shows how police are supposed to do their job - use whatever force is required to get the subject under control and cuffed. This is exactly the opposite of how the Minneapolis police dealt with it. They had the person cuffed and well under control yet continued to exert deadly force. They should all spend time in prison. If I were a cop on the jury I would be the first to cast a guilty verdict since these bad cops have put my life in jeopardy.

As to his character or previous record, I don't care if he just committed armed robbery. Once the police did their job of apprehending and subduing him, they have no right to continue on to be judge, jury and executioner.

[fourandrew]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?

It's independent of the State Coroner's Report

[anothersteve]

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Steve

I had to delete because the Mods deleted some posts that I responded to, but failed to delete this one for some strange reason.
I didn't want to think I was directing my comment to anyone else.

Steve again