[dewilson58]

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

As usual, you are not missing anything. But to clarify one point, just as males are not allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other males, females should not be allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other females.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What is it about the transition process do you think will allow a formerly-female body to now "clean up" against presently-female bodies? Does the transition process redefine bone and muscle structure in some way when going from female to male? The process certainly doesn't appear to redefine those structures when going from male to female.

Testosterone. For the same reason men are not allowed to juice with Testosterone for an advantage against other men, women should not be allowed to juice with testosterone and compete against other women. Testosterone will not turn the woman into a man, but testosterone will definitely provide an unfair advantage. In fact, we used to always complain about the Russian women swimmers who were clearly taking testosterone because of the unfair advantage it provided.

[Johnsocat]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I also feel that transgender males/females shouldn't be competing for teams of the gender that doesn't match their biology. But if they compete in teams that DOES match their biology, then you'll have transgender women - who were born biologically male - competing against men. Tall women with no facial hair, no *****, wearing bras, competing with men. Because they were born with a ***** even though they no longer have one. That makes zero sense.

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

So pick your teams with men, women, transgender, cisgender, nonbinary, whatever. If they can do the job, then they're on the team.

Women will never win a competition again if their rights are not protected.

[Tvflguy]

I’m upset. I am now identifying as a blind person. And cannot read all these posts.

Totally unfair. I’m requesting a Reader to come to my home.

[Taltarzac725]

They should just cover it with the rules against doping and not get into the other stuff.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

Not one da_n thing!

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They should just cover it with the rules against doping and not get into the other stuff.

Looking for clarification, please. Doping covers transgender men (women) competing against biological women while taking testosterone. So, I agree that can be handled with doping rules without addressing other things about that issue.

Doping rules do not cover transgender women (men) competing against women, because it is all the other advantages of being a man that make it unfair. So, the transgender women wouldn't be doping, so the other stuff needs to be addressed by stating biological males cannot compete against biological females.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Looking for clarification, please. Doping covers transgender men (women) competing against biological women while taking testosterone. So, I agree that can be handled with doping rules without addressing other things about that issue.

Doping rules do not cover transgender women (men) competing against women, because it is all the other advantages of being a man that make it unfair. So, the transgender women wouldn't be doping, so the other stuff needs to be addressed by stating biological males cannot compete against biological females.

Probably should be addressed on a case-by-case basis as to men who have become women as body types vary a great deal among athletes from long distance runners to heavy weight lifters. In many cases there probably would not that much difference.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

As usual, you are not missing anything. But to clarify one point, just as males are not allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other males, females should not be allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other females.

I would assume the Oly Committee and colleges and high schools and middle schools will start addressing the juices in bodies. I hope.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

I’m upset. I am now identifying as a blind person. And cannot read all these posts.

Totally unfair. I’m requesting a Reader to come to my home.

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

You just cut the number of teams in half, e.g. instead of UConn women's basketball and UConn's men's basket ball you just have UConn basketball. And now not one of those women basketball players gets to be on the team.

Serena Williams, arguably the best women's tennis player of all time played the then 203rd ranked male. Serena lost 6-1. She claimed she played as well as she normally does. Venus then walked on the court and lost 6-2.

You are sadly mistaken if you think UConn women would beat out the even the bottom of the college male starters. I chuckle at your assertion that they couldn't even hold a candle to them.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Probably should be addressed on a case-by-case basis as to men who have become women as body types vary a great deal among athletes from long distance runners to heavy weight lifters. In many cases there probably would not that much difference.

That is so ridiculous. There are very few cases where it would not make much difference.

In running events women's world records are on average 90% as fast as the men's world records and 84.15% as long/high in the jumping events. A fairly big difference... especially if we consider that all the running events are in the range of 2.3% from best to worst.(Sep 15, 2016)

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

I think there is a difference in what you identify as and what she identifies you as ;-)

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I would assume the Oly Committee and colleges and high schools and middle schools will start addressing the juices in bodies. I hope.

I am not holding my breath because the vast majority of decisions they have made so far have been for "inclusivity" and not fairness.