[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

I tell my other half my estrogen left me and the testosterone is growing by leaps and bounds. He says don't bother him with the small stuff!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

That is so ridiculous. There are very few cases where it would not make much difference.

In running events women's world records are on average 90% as fast as the men's world records and 84.15% as long/high in the jumping events. A fairly big difference... especially if we consider that all the running events are in the range of 2.3% from best to worst.(Sep 15, 2016)

And how many trans people make the Olympics? Very very few in either the Summer or Winter Olympics. And there are many Olympic sports which highlight technical abilities developed over years of experience rather than just physical attributes.

A case-by-case approach would be far easier.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And how many trans people make the Olympics? Very very few in either the Summer or Winter Olympics. And there are many Olympic sports which highlight technical abilities developed over years of experience rather than just physical attributes.

A case-by-case approach would be far easier.

Explain how a case by case approach is any easier, much less far easier.
Either there is a reason to have different categories based on biological sex, or there is not. If there is, it is far easier to make the rule to compete against your same sex. If there is no advantage in the sport for either sex, then just have one category. Both of those are far easier than having to go through some analysis for each transgender person that wants to compete against people of a different gender. Maybe "easier" does not mean what you think it means.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Explain how a case by case approach is any easier, much less far easier.
Either there is a reason to have different categories based on biological sex, or there is not. If there is, it is far easier to make the rule to compete against your same sex. If there is no advantage in the sport for either sex, then just have one category. Both of those are far easier than having to go through some analysis for each transgender person that wants to compete against people of a different gender. Maybe "easier" does not mean what you think it means.

Again. How many transgender people make the Olympics? Probably very few. Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Again. How many transgender people make the Olympics? Probably very few. Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

What is your point? I am addressing competitive sports in general. Do your previous comments only apply to the olympics???

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

What is your point? I am addressing competitive sports in general. Do your previous comments only apply to the olympics???

Mine do. And it looks like it is just about people who were male running in the Olympics as females.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Mine do. And it looks like it is just about people who were male running in the Olympics as females.

Ok. I will go with that. As you claim, virtually no one is inconvenienced by the rule, so no harm-no foul. The ruling is a non issue.

Next topic.

[fishon]

MrFlorida said:

“Apples to apples.”

It should be Adam’s apples to Adam’s apples.

[PugMom]

the only solution is to have trans compete against the other trans, in a category all their own

[Mpphred]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Apples to apples.

Like adam apples

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

You just cut the number of teams in half, e.g. instead of UConn women's basketball and UConn's men's basket ball you just have UConn basketball. And now not one of those women basketball players gets to be on the team.

Serena Williams, arguably the best women's tennis player of all time played the then 203rd ranked male. Serena lost 6-1. She claimed she played as well as she normally does. Venus then walked on the court and lost 6-2.

You are sadly mistaken if you think UConn women would beat out the even the bottom of the college male starters. I chuckle at your assertion that they couldn't even hold a candle to them.

Well said

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by PugMom

the only solution is to have trans compete against the other trans, in a category all their own

Makes sense but who would pay to watch it?

[PugMom]

@ Stu:

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So you're saying - someone who was born with the female anatomy, grew up that way, but "came out" as a transgender male, getting all the appropriate medical treatment BEFORE entering Olympic trials - including breast removal, hysterectomy, and hormone treatment to produce more masculine traits including lowering of voice and facial hair growth..

They should be trying out in the WOMENS' Olympics trials. Because he was born female and that's how you want it to be. Right?

I mean he's stronger, taller, has facial hair, no longer has a woman's reproductive system, or breast tissue. His hormonal balance is now that of a natural-born man, nothing more, he's not taking "extra" hormones but rather - hormone replacement. Just like a woman going through menopause takes hormone replacement. Except this one is for men, not women. But he'll be competing as a woman.

Because that's what you want.

I say - okay. That's fine.

The only fair answer here is to create a transgender classification for sports competition.

I have no axe 🪓 to grind here and say live and let live, as long as no one else’s rights are trampled.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.

Good thing no one brought that up in this thread (until you did...)

BUT, that being said, I agree that transgender women should not be competing against female athletes who were born female. This is not just about the Olympics, it is about all levels of sports, from informal competitions to the awarding of scholarships. Height and strength can make all the difference in athletic competition……

Let’s be fair.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

Thank you for actually responding to the topic of the thread...