[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Sorry you don't see a problem with giving out free illegal drugs.

What?

The thread is about giving out Beer and Donuts as an incentive to get people to get the vaccination?

There was a comment about Marijuana somewhere in here also, but MJ is not illegal in this state, you simply have to have a license - sort of like driving a car requires a license.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Notice I said, "seems to imply", where you and others constantly tell me exactly what I am saying, and are wrong. By saying "seems to imply", I am asking if I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I am explaining what I think you are saying and you are welcome to correct me.

And if you look at my posts you will see I have no problem, when someone does clarify and show I misunderstood, saying, "I apologize, I misunderstood you".

How often have you said that? Just asking, not accusing you of anything.

I only tell you you're wrong when you're wrong! Not my fault you are wrong so often!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I only tell you you're wrong when you're wrong! Not my fault you are wrong so often!

Well, I apologize for not being perfect, I am glad you are.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Well, I apologize for not being perfect, I am glad you are.

Yeah... I thought I was wrong once... Turns out I was mistaken...

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

What?

The thread is about giving out Beer and Donuts as an incentive to get people to get the vaccination?

There was a comment about Marijuana somewhere in here also, but MJ is not illegal in this state, you simply have to have a license - sort of like driving a car requires a license.

Washington state giving free pot to get a shot. Beer, donuts and now pot.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I rarely ever drink beer but when I do it’s not Budweiser!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Washington state giving free pot to get a shot. Beer, donuts and now pot.

Good to hear - Too bad Florida still considers booze safe and pot dangerous.

[Get real]

I guess they think if they get you drunk or high enough you will do dangerous things.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Doctors insurance is an insignificant drop in the bucket called "healthcare" in this country.

Those "other countries" aren't very specific, but the US is behind in almost every healthcare outcome statistic - infant mortality, cost, accessibility, and all.

And what we lack in outcomes we make up by paying 2 1/2 times what most single-payer government-provided healthcare systems in the rest of the first world pay.

I certainly can appreciate there are bad systems out there, and I am certain most/some of them are socialist. But, if you are talking about the best of the best, we, our great country that used to be at the top of the list is now in 17th place in the world concerning healthcare.

I agree! Everyone should look at the world list for qualities like "infant mortality" and "Quality of Life". The US results are NOT favorable. We are ranked around 30th in MANY important qualities. The average person could learn a lot from these world rankings. They ought to be taught from middle school onward. There could be debate and comparison with the US in the 1950s. It could help offset ethnocentrism, which is an unreasonable attitude that ONLY your country is BEST. The US has the BEST Universities in the world, but its middle class remains somewhat uneducated. We have the best Doctors and Medical Research facilities in the world, but VERY poor HEALTH outcomes for the average US citizen - and high costs also. The worst of both worlds. But our lobbyists and health INSURANCE EXECUTIVES are FAT CITY!!!! And College football coaches bring home 6 MILLION/ year! We sure have our priorities right.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Just what we need. The government running health insurance. Everyone knows the government is so cost conscious and proficient in running all the programs it manages.

Actually, the V.A. and mediCare are VERY efficient programs.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually, the V.A. and mediCare are VERY efficient programs.

Yeah... Medicare is quite efficient at denying claims...

And the VA has been quite efficient at making veterans wait for months, if not years, for appointments and treatments...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't know how they rate our health care system, but I do know what I have experienced overseas and I do know how much folks in other countries PAY for their gov run fiasco. Like standing in lines for months to get treated or even examined? Do you like being put in a ward for days, that resembles living in a military barracks (with curtains) instead of a private room.....or even a shared room? Do you mind paying at least half of your paycheck in payroll deductions, when you are supposed to be middle class and have to live like our lower class earners? Before looking at the grass on the other side of the fence, thinking it is tastier....try living it before moving.
An interesting publication (kind of old by now) regarding world health care, compares health care and costs of many countries in the world. The publication is called "The Grass Is Not Always Greener" from the CATO Institute, I believe. I'm sure there will be those that wish to "politically" disparage the old publication, but I found it to be interesting none the less.
I also find it interesting that Canadians come to our country for treatment. I have a niece that is a nurse in Canada that comes to our country for treatment. Makes one wonder what she knows. Her mother died of cancer back in the late '70s, having had trouble getting treated in Canada. Not saying that she might have survived if treated earlier.
Yes, we need a better system. But, I would NEVER EVER want the gov to run or manage our health care, based on their track record.

People come from Canada to the US for SPECIALIZED treatment because we are a bigger country than they are. Our University Hospitals are excellent. But, still, in general, the US is BELOW Canada in health care for the average citizen.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't know how they rate our health care system, but I do know what I have experienced overseas and I do know how much folks in other countries PAY for their gov run fiasco. Like standing in lines for months to get treated or even examined? Do you like being put in a ward for days, that resembles living in a military barracks (with curtains) instead of a private room.....or even a shared room? Do you mind paying at least half of your paycheck in payroll deductions, when you are supposed to be middle class and have to live like our lower class earners? Before looking at the grass on the other side of the fence, thinking it is tastier....try living it before moving.
An interesting publication (kind of old by now) regarding world health care, compares health care and costs of many countries in the world. The publication is called "The Grass Is Not Always Greener" from the CATO Institute, I believe. I'm sure there will be those that wish to "politically" disparage the old publication, but I found it to be interesting none the less.
I also find it interesting that Canadians come to our country for treatment. I have a niece that is a nurse in Canada that comes to our country for treatment. Makes one wonder what she knows. Her mother died of cancer back in the late '70s, having had trouble getting treated in Canada. Not saying that she might have survived if treated earlier.
Yes, we need a better system. But, I would NEVER EVER want the gov to run or manage our health care, based on their track record.

I would prefer that you refrained from voting now while you are alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually, the V.A. and mediCare are VERY efficient programs.

With $billions per year in Medicare fraud, I wouldn't say it's an efficient program.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

What?

The thread is about giving out Beer and Donuts as an incentive to get people to get the vaccination?

There was a comment about Marijuana somewhere in here also, but MJ is not illegal in this state, you simply have to have a license - sort of like driving a car requires a license.

I believe it is STILL federally ILLEGAL, no?