[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by cb1972

Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.

Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by jammendolia

two orange blossom baby:
it has been well documented that being raised in a married couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73% compared to mother only households and 67% compared to father only households and as evidence of the power of family structure to descend race, 31% of white children raised in mother only household live in poverty versus just 12% of black children living with the married parents this is a stunning realization.
- National center for education statistics (NCES)
please do some research before you start quoting statistics.

Would you support banning divorce? It creates a lot of poverty and single parent homes.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.

The OJ verdict was a "payback" miscarriage of justice...following the Rodney King's cop's acquittals.


BOTH were wrong and in neither incident...was actual justice served.

[JoMar]

All the white folks solving all the problems for the black community.....until that attitude changes this will continue for a very long time. There are enlightened people out there, they accept interracial marriages and kids, Corporations are providing more opportunities for non-whites but we have a very long way to go...most of us will be long gone and I only hope the generations behind us will generate acceptance opportunities.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will following suit🙁

I’m amazed that any senior would follow anything Cuomo says. I bet he has a plan to reduce social security and Medicare. Send more viral infected seniors to nursing homes. I know the fed told him to do it. Interesting that he was selective about what fed guidelines he was going to follow and which ones he wouldn’t. Given his position of power and the fact that he made a horrible decision that resulted in death I’m shocked he’s not in jail. Someone else in power made a horrible decision that resulted in death and he’s in jail. In essence Cuomo put his knee to the throats of thousands of seniors - many black. Wheres the justice? Where’s the outrage? Talk about privileged. Remember Mary Jo. Same thing.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.

Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.

Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders.

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

"Small studies."

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.'

The U.S. Sentencing Commission is an independent agency in the judicial branch of government created by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. Congress enacted the SRA in response to widespread disparity in federal sentencing, ushering in a new era of federal sentencing through the creation of the Commission and the promulgation of federal sentencing guidelines.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

How many schools still teach the Golden Rule? They probably can’t because of PC bologney. Not only was it taught but it used to be a daily reminder and was recited more often then the Pledge of Allegiance. Treat others the way you want to be treated...the man in the mirror treatment.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.






"Small studies."

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same thing conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.'

So what CHANGES do you propose?

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.

[ALadysMom]

The demographics of America have changed a lot. The number of blacks may already be a super-minority yet there has been almost silence coming from Hispanic leaders. Changes may come more quickly if the two minorities are really a majority.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.

All of your suggested solutions would involve the Government. But, I don't believe that the Government can solve the problem. The problem needs to be solved by the people themselves.