[BarbC2016]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

Dr. Fauci talks about all the continued masking- two masks, social distancing, etc., but I have yet to hear a word about dealing with Covid carrying immigrants entering our country and being shipped all over the country by the thousands every month. Where's the science on this? His silence speaks volumes.

[chuckpedrey]

Read the February 2021 issue if Imprimis. The article is adapted from a speech that Dr. Scott Atlas delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona on February 18, 2021

[Lindaws]

It is ALL about control over us.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Actually, I expect my own immune system to protect me. ...Darwin may have a say here. But, it won't be to take out those of us who refuse a vaccine. Our immune systems are intact. Vaccinated people are at great risk of the variants. I guess you just go get another vaccine?

Ignorant is a term used for people who don't know because they've never been given an opportunity to learn. I am ignorant of the preferred flavors of ice cream in China. But if I were given an opportunity to learn and found it was similar to here, but I insisted on TOTV that the favorite was licorice, then I'd be a liar. If I lacked the brainpower to absorb the facts, then I'd be stupid. So which are you?

Half a million dead Americans found out that their immune systems didn't save them. 30 million Americans found out their immune system didn't prevent catching the disease. And absolutely no scientist would tell you that vaccinated people are more likely to become ill with the variants. In fact it is exactly the opposite. Vaccines provide some protection against the variants. And that protection is measured against how frequently non vaccinated healthy people get sick, with intact immune systems. Vaccinated people get sick less often. The amount of additional protection is still being evaluated.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch the variants as well as the original Covid. This is so simple and so elementary that anyone reading the literature and using Google would grasp this fact immediately.

The first published Lancet study of the AZ vaccine showed a 70% efficacy against the B 117 variant that is predominant in England. A very early bit of data on the Pfizer vaccine showed 100% efficacy against the South African variant B 1.351, but tiny numbers and clearly it will not be 100%.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by blueash

As I remember learning in school about the early 1940's a whole bunch of people decided that they would take on the responsibility of protecting others even at some risk to themselves. And a whole lot of people who couldn't go that whole route were willing to change their lifestyle for the common good even at a lot of personal inconvenience. In that historical event about 400,000 American's died and pretty much all the rest were thankful that others acted "to protect me" And yes it was decades ago.

This conflict has killed more Americans and the little inconvenience asked of those at home is to wear a darn mask, social distance, and when eligible get a couple shots and still you bitch and moan about such a little act for the common good

I'll still inconvenience myself to let an ambulance pass me even though it only helps protect somebody else from harm. I'll still cover my cough to protect others. Civil society should expect that. Some of us understand that some problems are best solved not by the individual and in fact require all of us to maximize success. But you do you.

Wearing a mask anytime I'm around people, (I do adhere to social distancing,) is a far cry from simply moving over for an ambulance, which may occur once or twice a month. And you still bitch and moan about how others are unwilling to protect you. Some of us understand there's something called individual responsibility, which comes before asking others to modify their lifestyle, just to protect them. But do you?

[Proveone]

Variants/mutations - that's why you want to mask until the entire population gets vaccinated!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Proveone

Variants/mutations - that's why you want to mask until the entire population gets vaccinated!

Slight change to your wording - until the entire population has the opportunity to get vaccinated, and accepts or declines. After that, the anti-vaxxers are on their own...

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

Ok. First it was...why do I have to get vaccinated? Then its....Im vaccinated why wear a mask? Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean everyone is. Do you think the world can be put on the honor system? If wearing a mask wasnt still mandatory after getting the vaccine, you would have everyone claiming they were vaccinated. And true, we are given cards to prove we are vaccinated. How long before the forgeries show up? Just wear your mask until its safe to not

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Ok. First it was...why do I have to get vaccinated? How long before the forgeries show up? Just wear your mask until its safe to not

The forgeries are available EVERYWHERE - $5 - just do a web search. That took no time.

The rest of your comments have been hashed over ad nauseum...

[DeanFL]

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BTW folks - just heard on a News Talk radio today - DON'T laminate your vacc card, as many are. If we need a 'booster' they can't update it on the card. For us, we keep our original card in the safe with passports etc etc. Made a copy for our wallets. And took a cell phone picture.

Just a friendly FYI. As mentioned below - the OCD thing>
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[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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BTW folks - just heard on a News Talk radio today - DON'T laminate your vacc card, as many are. If we need a 'booster' they can't update it on the card. For us, we keep our original card in the safe with passports etc etc. Made a copy for our wallets. And took a cell phone picture.

Just a friendly FYI. As mentioned below - the OCD thing>
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They're already said a booster shot would probably result in a new card. I agree - don't laminate the card. Instead, make a reduced size copy and laminate THAT, so it fit in your wallet. Doubtful if we'll need it anyway. You can purchase all the fake copies you'd like. By summer you'll be able to buy fake copies at flea markets and Circle K store marked 'for amusement' only...

[gdennis317]

Not True

95% effective means 5 out of 100 get it, symptoms can be none to typically mild.
There are documented cases of vaccinated people testing positive and giving it to non vaccinated people.

A man on Arbana Path caught Covid a month after his second shot. Is in the Hospital as a precautionary step due to his age etc.

[blueash]

Posted by john41 View Post
the next surge is coming over the unprotected southern border. The covid infection rate there is 10% with the deadly brazilian variant found also. But fauci said he can’t comment on the border because he doesn’t know anything about it.

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago

"There's testing happening," Acting Administrator Robert Fenton told lawmakers at a hearing before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security. "What we're seeing is less than 6% positive right now, coming across the border."

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

[beeneyra]

You can still get the virus it just won't kill you, so they say, and you can spread it to others.

[merrymini]

I am not an antivaxxer, I just do not want this vaccine. There is too much unknown and all these “experts” are not credible. More than 10 people HAVE died from the vaccine 13 in Norway alone. Those proponents of the vaccines would certainly not admit the vaccine would have anything to do with any deaths. Does not fit their narrative. “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” Edward R. Murrow