[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

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Because thousand of people world wide are getting Covid weeks after being fully vaccinated. The vaccine is not 100% fool prove

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Neils

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

Not true.....people all over the US and the world are contracting the Covid virus weeks after being fully vaccinated, two in WA died. This is not a 100% fix, so just because you have been vaccinated dose not mean you are save from getting the virus.....they have told you that from day one.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Rosebud1949

How dare he, if we, vaccinated folk, want to travel abroad and must have a VP fine, but if he refuses to let Floridians have one he is stopping me seeing my family, when I am regarded as low risk.

This is not logically consistent.

He is not allowing businesses to REQUIRE a passport as a condition of using the business.

How does this stop you from seeing your family in any fashion?

How does this stop you from getting your papers in order so that you can go to states which might require them? Answer, it doesn't.

He is not forbidding you from getting your papers. He is forbidden the federal government from _REQUIRING_ papers in the state of Florida so that you can go about your daily life.

It's not going to happen anyway. It's a useless document that won't have any real meaning for a lot of real and genuine scientific reasons of which vaccine efficacy and viral mutations are just two. Sales in forged ones will probably outpace "real" ones as well.

[bobm3]

Originally Posted by stephen.q.pankow

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

I certainly don't trust "anti-vaxers" to follow the honor system.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by bobm3

I certainly don't trust "anti-vaxers" to follow the honor system.

I certainly don't either.. selfish attitude in refusing a vaccine that saves lives.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Neils

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness.

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is what makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

[jswirs]

" This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.[/QUOTE]"


This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are easily lead and do as they are told, from those that are able to gather facts and think for themselves, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

Since when is it the responsibility of society in general to inconvenience themselves to protect others. Those who are vulnerable or afraid need to protect themselves, and not rely on others to protect them. This constant whining of "it's your responsibility to protect me" did not exist decades ago. If you have a problem, get it solved yourself, don't expect all of society to change their lifestyle to protect you.

[Gobragh]

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is was makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

The bolded part is wrong. The virus cannot duplicate itself. Your body duplicates the virus because the virus programmed it to do so. The virus can get into you, this is true. The speed of the immune response effects what happens next. In 95% of the vaccinated, your immune system sees it, and destroys it before it can get a foothold.

In the other 5%, the immune response is attenuated. It can go from allowing very little of the body's cells from getting infected to having no effect at all. It is clear that the vaccine is stimulating _some_ response in everyone who has had it. At least to the spike proteins that the vaccine is targeted towards. As to mutations, time will tell, that said, one of the more stable sequence motifs is the spike proteins. I.e. if the spike protein changes much, the virus doesn't work any longer, therefore since this is where the vaccine is targeted, it will likely have good efficacy even in mutations.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Unfortunately, the experts are not saying that it would be "socially desirable or responsible" for those of us that have been vaccinated to ware a mask, they are saying that we "HAVE" to ware a mask. If you ask me for a favor, I will probably go out of my way to do it. If you demand it of me, I will probably tell you where you can go.

I challenge you to produce a link to where any expert said you "have to ware [sic] a mask" without providing an explanation that such was for an infectious disease reason or because the vaccines were known to not be 100% effective. Every single expert I have heard has been very careful in their wording to explain that masking is a public health benefit not saying you "have" to wear it. Rather that you "should" wear it

From the CDC's website: Do I need to wear a mask after 2 doses of vaccine?

It depends. For now, fully vaccinated people can gather indoors without physical distancing or wearing masks with: Other people who are fully vaccinated
Unvaccinated people from one other household, unless any of those people or anyone they live with has an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19

Until more is known, fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube

[Pat2015]

I don’t think that those who do not get vaccinated are “selfish.” Some people due to medical issues should not get vaccinated. Also, some people feel as though not enough testing has been done and the fact the vaccines are not FDA approved (rather just UA) makes them feel that it isn’t safe or proven enough to make themselves part of the clinical study. Not an opinion, just facts.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

The real problem is 35% of the population are anti-vaxxers, and they are ruining it for everyone else, especially as some vaccines are being throw out because of lack of interest (not here though).

I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived.

Darwin may have a say here. But, it won't be to take out those of us who refuse a vaccine. Our immune systems are intact. Vaccinated people are at great risk of the variants. I guess you just go get another vaccine?

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is was makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

No, 95% does not mean a one in 20 chance you will get infected.

It means 1 in twenty are susceptible. And, couple that with the incredibly low chance of getting infected to begin with and you've not even made enough data for a slow news day.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

All the more reason that everyone should do their part to stamp out this virus. No excuses from those who have no medical reason to refuse the vaccine. Get yourself vaccinated for crying out loud. Do it for the good of your fellow citizens; do it for your country; do it for your loved ones. Oh....... and do it so you won't possibly get sick and die from this virus.

Ummmm - No thank you. My body, my choice. Ask the pro-abortion crowd.