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Having difficulty quoting a post and it quoting properly. I've tried twice and I give up.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Pachine58

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

When the vaccine is about 95% effective it is more than a crap shoot.

[tuccillo]

Not true, the developers have a very good idea of how effective the vaccines are on people. They run clinical trials with a sufficient sample size that they can perform statistically significant hypothesis testing. The Pfizer and Moderna trials showed that the probability of experiencing symptoms (check the trial reports for the exact definitions) is reduced by 20x when compared to the control group (no vaccine). There is no crap shoot involved. The probability that you will experience severe disease if you are vaccinated is essentially reduced to zero.

Originally Posted by Pachine58

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=DeanFL;1924674]I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

You're "confused" ? Well, that is exactly what you are supposed to be. In any community or any language it's call CYA. The point in NOT to be wrong under any circumstances and, at all costs, protect your own rise to "prominence" in your field. It's the most common stance today rather in medicine, research, academia, or business fields, and, if that is your career goal, it is VERY important to understand how to negotiate this mine field.

While it was once true, people do not "accidentally", through their own dedicated work or natural ability, become "THE" top expert in their field; such as Anthony Fauci, at $418K, the highest paid government employee in 2019, more than the U. S. president. Not an accident of "fate", it's a planned career path that requires planning and many mentors beginning in graduate school (usually post M.S. or M.A. level, but not always). It also involves hiring a public relations person or firm to "push" your research and publications once you have managed to get a few things published in the various related journals in your field. It all has to be carefully choreographed now.

Of course an obscure oceanographer, or bio-chemist, or space engineer can still make an outstanding discovery and instantly rise to national prominence, but today's path is more typically a carefully developed plan much like entertainers and actors follow to reach "stardom", and involving professional public relations firms, agents, etc. Same for the biggest name authors, not just a serious of fortunate "accidents" any more if you wish to progress to the top of your profession.

Unfortunately, it is up to each individual to recognize this and try not to be "confused". It is regrettable that such useful skills as: logical analysis, recognition of propaganda (remember, "good or bad", propaganda is propaganda, if you do not really understand what it really is you are at great risk to become confused and worse), skills to recognize "emotionally laden" language (such as in a commercial that says, "YOU DESERVE a new Buick" or fill in the blank with any brand, and the many other skills we USED to teach in public schools beginning at the 6th, or even 5th grade level. Now, no time in the curriculum for this type of thing. Fewer and fewer of each generation learning some the the most important life skills in favor of more politically expedient areas and social-cultural topics. Many are confused with what they hear today (maybe better put what they are TOLD today) , you are definitely not alone in your confusion, that's the plan !

Have you noticed Fauci's latest P.R. "tour" of the various media this week ? All centered on making sure he covers ALL bases when asked directly about the "mask thing", making sure to cover that we may well have to always wear masks, or we may get to the point that it's no longer necessary. He is an absolute MASTER of saying nothing if you listen intently to the EXACT words he chooses, he and so many others. Successful "stars" in any field learn quickly how to speak so that anything can be turned 360 at any new turn of events. One additional "assignment", next time any of them speak, concentrate on how effectively they are able to side step a very direct question they do not want to answer (Fauci was recently confronted with a very false statement he made about efficiency of transmission) and he immediately said "HONESTLY (???) I am so busy with my responsibilities to keep people safe, I really don't have TIME to get into all the things said about me."

Translation: when caught in a lie or an intentional misleading statement meant to (what ? increase my renown or my finances ?), I will simply laugh it off with the attitude that I am so important I really don't' have time to answer/defend nonsense like that. Works for politicians too ... hey, maybe he is also a politician ?

[Happinow]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

Spot on...the lab animals died from this experimental vaccine. It’s just that...an experiment and we are the labs rats this time around....at least many are. Those who have done their homework know not to get it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

Dr. Mercola = QUACK

Dr. Joseph Mercola Ordered to Stop Illegal Claims | Quackwatch

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

Vaccinated individuals could still get COVID from unvaccinated people spreading it. The variants are now the problem and more to come until more people get vaccinated.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Debra Freeman

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

Not true. Source please?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Not true. Source please?

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

[donassaid]

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chuckpedrey

Read the February 2021 issue if Imprimis. The article is adapted from a speech that Dr. Scott Atlas delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona on February 18, 2021

Dr. Scott Atlas=QUACK with a capital Q

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Gobragh

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

Name one

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Dr. Scott Atlas=QUACK with a capital Q

Your proof?? Only verified medical sites please.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Very few and mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone. An awful lot of chicken littles on this thread.