[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
Blue ash is a national treasure that we are lucky to have in TV Land. And that is a fact!

Originally Posted by blueash

I've been thinking about what I want on my gravestone. Hadn't considered "national treasure" before, hmm.

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don't mean to be insensitive, but what if Blueash gets cremated?

“Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust”
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[Viperguy]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

Government power grab. That's why. Stay at home and we will send you money

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Neils

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data.

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by blueash

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

So you believe what the administration is saying regarding immigrants with or without Covid? Of course they are going to downplay any problem such as that. If you believe in our government telling only the truth, you have so very much to learn.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines.

Know your science

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

source: How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people?

[Tmarkwald]

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people?

[Sabella]

Originally Posted by Neils

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

The experts can’t answer most questions regarding the virus or the vaccines. They still don’t know much. A lot of guessing going on regarding everyone’s health and the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Sabella

the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

[Sabella]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data.

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

Thank you for that link. I remember seeing that page in the past but I had lost it.

I still cannot find the 475 number or the "this week" data and I also question the labels on the data.

Two examples:
1. At the top of the page the data is labeled "since March 1. For the entire State the page shows "Total deaths since March 1: 34,364." The JHU page shows 33,710 death in Florida since the beginning of Covid. So is the Experience page showing me deaths since March 1, 2020 or is it simply mislabeled? In any case, the value covers much more than the last five weeks.

2. When I select Hillsborough County in the dropdown at the top of the page, the values under Pediatrics update and I see your 465, 73, and 2. If I take those two pediatric deaths as two children dead as of this week then I should also be able to look in the Long-term car facilities (LTCF) and take those 557 deaths as being over the same time frame or 557 LTCF deaths so far this week. But that makes 559 deaths in Hillsborough County alone in only three days when the entire State is going to report fewer deaths than that for a seven-day period. My guess is the Pediatrics: block represents data since the beginning of Covid (or possibly 3/1/20) and not just this past week.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Sabella

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

Source: How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people?

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The beauty of the J&J vaccine is that it is inexpensive compared to Pfizer and Moderna - it needs only NORMAL refrigeration - making it best for areas in the US like some of the less densely populated Native American Tribal areas and remote 3rd world areas.

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by blueash

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.


Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

Sorry, what I should have said that a spokesperson for CDC said that once your are vaccinated, you won't pass it on to another.
Sen Paul is a MD and he said you can't transmit the virus to someone else once you are vaccinated.
Believe what you wish, but I believe REAL doctors before I believe political hacks and gov paid scientists. That's my opinion and I will live by it.