[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

I'm curious about something: if the study was done in Cape Cod after a super spreader event, i.e. a beach party, which is outdoors, and even those who had been vaccinated contracted the Delta variant of COVID, then are large outdoor gatherings risky even if they ask for proof of vaccinations and/or negative tests?

I thought the concern was over indoor events but this study seems to say that any large gathering of people is problematic. So does that mean those who attend a concert or sporting event, like a baseball game in a large stadium with people yelling and cheering in close proximity to one another, intermingling on the concourse, etc. should wear masks even though they are vaccinated and outdoors?

They all went indoors at some point. Even using the John They had to touch door and anything else inside. Not to mention when somebody couched and it lingers in air in confined space?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Tell me that you are not going to allow fear to rule your life this far into your tenure? There are too many "what if's" in this lifetime to bother wasting time on things that haven't happened yet. Do your best to prepare and leave the rest of the worrying up to GOD. Just my opinion.

Of course fear does not rule my life. That would be no fun!

But there are different kinds of fears, in my opinion. One is unjustified fear; fear of something not likely to happen, or something imagined, paranoia. Damnation is the fear of your own shadow. And the other is self preservation fear, rational fear, such as stepping out of the way of a charging bull.

[Topspinmo]

Does anybody know the village bubble vaccinated rate? I guessing is well above national average? Like in 80 to 90 precent range? Maybe some one should start poll who vaccinated and who’s not? That way if we know numbers stop throwing stones from one side to other?

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

They said it's more transmissable and those who are diagnosed with it have higher viral loads but there is no evidence they get any sicker. At any rate, I'm sure there will be more variants coming down the pike. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a leading European viriologist, warned against mass vaccinations in the middle of a pandemic because it would create dangerous variants.

You mean this guy?

Expert in his field.....Not like Fauci at all.....

Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Hal Turner Radio Show - Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

yes!

Most stadiums are back to full capacity and I'm not sure governors in some states, even in places like CA, are going to be so quick to pull the trigger on this. California has already mandated masks for kids in school this fall but haven't heard anything about large gatherings of adults who are the ones that spread it the most.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by drducat

You mean this guy?

Expert in his field.....Not like Fauci at all.....

Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Hal Turner Radio Show - Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Well, if he's like Fauci it makes him and his warnings all the more believable. He's a prominent virologist and not an anti-vaxxer. He embraces the mRNA vaccines and thinks they are great, but should not be used in this manner. I think we are seeing his warnings, which he gave in the spring, come to fruition.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Well, if he's like Fauci it makes him and his warnings all the more believable. He's a prominent virologist and not an anti-vaxxer. He embraces the mRNA vaccines and thinks they are great, but should not be used in this manner. I think we are seeing his warnings, which he gave in the spring, come to fruition.

Agreed!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Good question! And interesting, compared to all the hysteria we get on here every time some new information is presented. I wonder if maybe the "long haul effects" might be more serious in conjunction with how serious the infection suffered. Perhaps, the "effects" might be lighter or even non-existent in those that have been vaccinated and infected? Just my speculation. We seem to have a few "experts" on here that I am sure will enlighten us with their experience related to contagious diseases.

The reason I ask is because those who have been suffering from Covid long haul effects seem to have some, if not COMPLETE relief from those effects AFTER they get vaccinated. There are several articles that discuss this "phenomenon".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So you are thinking your mask protected YOU?????

And I thought that ship had sailed over a year ago.

Agree. Anyone at this point who honestly thinks their mask is protecting them has not been listening (for over a year) UNLESS their mask is an N95 or equivalent mask. In that case, anyone claiming their mask protects them should always include the type of protective mask they are wearing.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

I suppose that's why public schools can mandate vaccines for students as a prerequisite for enrollment. Even before COVID, parents were skirting around the vaccination requirements claiming religious exemption. Some states tightened up their laws because they were seeing big outbreaks of whooping cough and measles, dangerous diseases for some, especially the former.

A bunch of hooey, if you ask me! AKA a crock of $h!t. (Yes, I'm from NY).

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The most recent CDC findings are that DELTA is likely MORE deadly than past US variants. That is the whole reason that they recommended increased mask-wearing indoors and outdoors if in large, close groups. It is affecting younger people more.

That is what I'm hearing over and over and over on my MSM television news sources. Funny, that is NOT what I'm reading over and over and over on this and other forums. Hmmmmm..... what to believe???????

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There has always been a HUGE loud honking enormous obnoxiously sickly sweet overbearing positive, that has been utterly rejected by the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers:

The vaccines, masks, hand-washing, and social distancing can all...
(say it with me, kids)
(drumroll)

REDUCE RISK.

That's right. These simple steps can reduce your risk of dying to a disease that causes you to choke to death on your own mucus.

But wait, there's more!

With these handy dandy steps, you will also reduce your risk of surviving that disease, but living with permanent lung and/or heart scarring for the rest of your life!

And that's not all!

Get these simple solutions now, and we'll toss in a reduced risk of spreading the disease to your loved ones, at no extra cost!


See? Awesome news. Now watch the deniers deny it, and blame politics.

RIP, Ron Popeil.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

I'm curious about something: if the study was done in Cape Cod after a super spreader event, i.e. a beach party, which is outdoors, and even those who had been vaccinated contracted the Delta variant of COVID, then are large outdoor gatherings risky even if they ask for proof of vaccinations and/or negative tests?

I thought the concern was over indoor events but this study seems to say that any large gathering of people is problematic. So does that mean those who attend a concert or sporting event, like a baseball game in a large stadium with people yelling and cheering in close proximity to one another, intermingling on the concourse, etc. should wear masks even though they are vaccinated and outdoors?

That is not what I'm seeing on my television when watching the MLB and other sports. I wonder if that is going to come to a screeching halt now that fans are allowed back in the stadiums and arenas.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Does anybody know the village bubble vaccinated rate? I guessing is well above national average? Like in 80 to 90 precent range? Maybe some one should start poll who vaccinated and who’s not? That way if we know numbers stop throwing stones from one side to other?

I have seen the number 70% tossed about here, but I have not verified it.

Frankly, I expected it to be lower than that. If it is 70% that is great, if more, as you suggest, that would be even better. In my not so humble opinion.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Does anybody know the village bubble vaccinated rate? I guessing is well above national average? Like in 80 to 90 precent range? Maybe some one should start poll who vaccinated and who’s not? That way if we know numbers stop throwing stones from one side to other?

Yet, that map that shows how high the transmission rate is has all of Florida's counties solid red, including Sumter County. I would think at least the county that has the most amount of seniors in the state of Florida wouldn't quite be solid red. I'm a bit disappointed in that map, to be honest. I've felt all along that we in The Villages are experiencing a higher vaccination rate than the rest of the state.