[drducat]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

The man has a heavy Dutch accent and is difficult to understand. W hat he's saying is that the virus will do what it takes to survive if a vaccine is suddenly introduced which means it will mutate into a new variant which can be even more deadly than the original COVID-19. I think we are seeing this now.

This also....

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

No, what we are seeing now is the anti-vaxxer movement not allowing enough people to get vaccinated and stop these variants. Again, I'm no expert but that just seems to make more sense to me. I still blame the anti-vaxxer movement for the mess we are all in.

There's no "anti-vaxxer movement" and no one is stopping anyone from getting the vaccine. I know people from different walks of life, race/ethnicity, religion, income level, political ideology who do not want to get the vaccine. They have nothing else in common, only that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by drducat

You mean this guy?

Expert in his field.....Not like Fauci at all.....

Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Hal Turner Radio Show - Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

This veterinarian's opinion was debunked last March.

Addressing Geert Vanden Bossche’s Claims — Deplatform Disease

I also checked with Snopes, because it's what I always do. I found a link to the letter he wrote, read the entire thing, and noticed he just very conveniently happens to mention that the only prevention for this virus is a vaccine that HE invented. How convenient is that?

Snake oil, meet your salesman.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

I was just wondering where you got your valid information from a credible source that your vaccine effectiveness is "waning" after 4 months.

I didn't mean to imply that, I meant we got vaccinations around 4 or 5 month ago, and I do recall that there has been suggestions that we might need to get a booster at 6 months. I will find the article and post it here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Well, if he's like Fauci it makes him and his warnings all the more believable. He's a prominent virologist and not an anti-vaxxer. He embraces the mRNA vaccines and thinks they are great, but should not be used in this manner. I think we are seeing his warnings, which he gave in the spring, come to fruition.

He's not a prominent virologist.

He's a veterinarian who received his PhD in virology. His actual medical doctorate is in veterinary medicine. He's also prominent only by way of self-promotion. He's not really known for much of anything. I mean he made a big deal about speaking at a LinkdIn event in Ohio. That's the medicine world's equivalent of a motivational speaker at a regional Tupperware meeting.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

The man has a heavy Dutch accent and is difficult to understand. W hat he's saying is that the virus will do what it takes to survive if a vaccine is suddenly introduced which means it will mutate into a new variant which can be even more deadly than the original COVID-19. I think we are seeing this now.

I assume you know that explanation is totally nonsense.

Virus's are not sentient. They do not make decisions to suddenly mutate. Mutations are NOT conscious choices, they occur for a number of reasons none of them have to do with being in a hostile environment. Mutations naturally occur in ALL living things all the time.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

You mean this guy?

Expert in his field.....Not like Fauci at all.....

Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Hal Turner Radio Show - Vaccine Expert Gives "Final Warning" STOP All Mass COVID Vaccinations Immediately or face unleashing incurable, deadly, unstoppable wave of disease

Not impressed!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I didn't mean to imply that, I meant we got vaccinations around 4 or 5 month ago, and I do recall that there has been suggestions that we might need to get a booster at 6 months. I will find the article and post it here.

I saw it too.

Here's Pfizer's press release in full:
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/202...n2FkePcBiRPGqw

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Well, I will go a step further and say that the anti-vax'ers are part of a larger group that are anti-COVIDers. There is a large number of people that still say COVID is no worse than the flu. And refuse to wear masks, refuse to socially distance, and refuse to get vaccinated. Why they feel/believe this I can't say.

I can say it. And I do, often. Just not on this forum.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

He's not a prominent virologist.

He's a veterinarian who received his PhD in virology. His actual medical doctorate is in veterinary medicine. He's also prominent only by way of self-promotion. He's not really known for much of anything. I mean he made a big deal about speaking at a LinkdIn event in Ohio. That's the medicine world's equivalent of a motivational speaker at a regional Tupperware meeting.

Denigrate him all you want, and if you've looked at Fauci's resume, it's even less credible, but what he predicted came true. When he spoke about this there were no variants, only talk from the CDC about possibly needing a booster later in year if they vaccine's effects wore off.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

I was just wondering where you got your valid information from a credible source that your vaccine effectiveness is "waning" after 4 months.

Okay, a little looking revealed that The vaccine company is recommending boosters, Israel is moving forward with boosters, here, we are still studying the idea.

Here is a link to a Yale Medicine article that discusses it, and an issue I had not thought about, the moral issue of should we vaccinate the rest of the world before providing boosters for people already vaccinated. I would prefer to get the rest of the world vaccinated before providing booster shots here. But, I will leave that decision to my PCP.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Denigrate him all you want, and if you've looked at Fauci's resume, it's even less credible, but what he predicted came true. When he spoke about this there were no variants, only talk from the CDC about possibly needing a booster later in year if they vaccine's effects wore off.

Okay, so I will show you Fauci's, you show the vets.

We will be waiting to hear from you.

Fauci Resume

List of Awards and recognitions

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is what I'm hearing over and over and over on my MSM television news sources. Funny, that is NOT what I'm reading over and over and over on this and other forums. Hmmmmm..... what to believe???????

Yes, today in a world overloaded with information sources. Each person must choose wisely where they get their information. it would be my advice that Facebook is the absolute worse place to go to be informed. Use Facebook ONLY for communicating with friends. It is well known that the Facebook software is designed to keep users on their site for as long as possible. FB moves vulnerable people off of a middle-of-the-road position slowly and surely towards the fringes of thought and society - it is like slumming or washing your hands in a sewer - ultimately a sewer of misinformation.

It would be nice if someone wrote a how-to book about a correct way to pick RELIABLE news sources. I feel that many people (as evidenced by this forum) have NOT chosen well.

And this brings us back to the CDC. Some people rail against it. Yet I find it very informative. I know enough Science to know Science changes. And then the CDC changes to give Americans the BEST AVAILABLE and current information. Life changes faster today than it did in the 1960s before information overload. WE older peons have to work harder to change and be open to finding good information. I advise trusting the CDC over trusting Facebook.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Very true. And even then we have to be careful saying "the mask protects you". Since so many like to think/speak in absolutes. It does NOT absolutely protect you 100%. It helps.

Also, it is extremely important for the mask to fit properly to seal around the edges. Otherwise, no joy. But, even with a perfect fit, it is not perfect protection, it helps. But, every little bit helps.

N95 masks, with a perfect fit around the face, is supposed to filter out 95% of airborne particles. That is pretty darn good protection.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Okay, a little looking revealed that The vaccine company is recommending boosters, Israel is moving forward with boosters, here, we are still studying the idea.

Here is a link to a Yale Medicine article that discusses it, and an issue I had not thought about, the moral issue of should we vaccinate the rest of the world before providing boosters for people already vaccinated. I would prefer to get the rest of the world vaccinated before providing booster shots here. But, I will leave that decision to my PCP.

And here is a list of possible side effects that can be derived from the vaccine.....Boost after talking to your DR.