Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1981962)

What are you talking about....The money to fund the vaccines came from you and me...our government funding.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1981979)

I completely agree everyone over 20 who can should get vaccinated. And making it a racial or political party statement is a disservice. If this virus is the result of gain of function research it will have been designed to mutate faster and in a way to avoid our vaccines. Here’s the info below on the Pfizer walk back. Also the research was done in university labs not company labs. Big pharma was needed for production and distribution.
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As NPR reported in July, the government reached a deal for nearly two billion dollars to help distribute the vaccine. Pfizer’s own press release in July announced that the U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion. No money went specifically into the vaccine’s research and development, but Pfizer absolutely did take government money, and was forced to walk back Jansen’s statement.

In an update to their story, Newsweek provided this key clarification, “This page has been updated to clarify Jansen’s comments following further details from a Pfizer spokesperson. The spokesperson clarified that its vaccine is linked to Operation Warp Speed, though its research and development has not taken funding from the federal government. The headline was also updated for clarity.”

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1981983)

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1981983)

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1982456)

That’s correct Pfizer did not take money for R&D just for production and distribution.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1982206)

LifeSite is an alt-right anti-abortion conspiracy website. It has been banned from some social media websites for promoting misleading and simply FAKE (fiction, not true, lies) Covid misinformation.

It is the false-Christian version of Breitbart.

People who actually believe that tripe are being horribly - and possibly lethally - misled.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1982466)

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1982460)

Uh, it that the same as they sold 100 million does to the US? Or did the us provide funding for production and distribution?

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1982466)

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1982514)

In answer to your question see post #258 and Pfizer press release below where the cooperation with Operation Warp Speed in several areas is described as beneficial. If you need financials I refer you to Pfizer’s 10k report.
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Pfizer is working very closely with the U.S. government on several fronts as we strategize and plan for our future COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort, keeping in mind that our vaccine candidate needs to clear a number of efficacy, safety and manufacturing hurdles before we submit for any FDA consideration. General Gustave Perna and the Operation Warp Speed team have offered any and all support and we are grateful for that as what we are tasked with is no simple feat.

A few areas where we have been collaborating include:

a direct ship distribution strategy that minimizes the transportation time from our facility to the point of use,
synchronization of our vaccine shipments with the delivery of an ancillary kit that contains supplies required to administer the vaccine, and
a second dose inventory management system.
The combination of OWS logistics expertise coupled with Pfizer’s deep manufacturing and distribution expertise provides a solid foundation for success.

Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1981920)

Oh, you mean the knuckle-dragging white supremacist hillbillies who call it a "plandemic" and think George Soros, Bill Gates and Obama are behind the whole thing at China's direction?

Well, you'd be wrong. Those refusing to get vaccinated are not right wing nutjobs nor Tucker Carlson/Fox News lovers but minorities - black and Latinos - who distrust the government that takes care of them, cradle to grave. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

These are supposed to be their peeps and they have pooped on their vaccination agenda! They've offered them money, incentives, in California the idiot governor is on TV spinning the lottery wheel where newly vaccinated folks are entered, they've done outreach, special vaccine clinics at parks and shopping malls. Latino men, still full of the old-school machismo, think it will make them impotent or sterile. Blacks think it's another Tuskegee experiment at their expense. And then there's the young. Well, they're supposed to be stupid, right? Full of bravado, thinking they're invincible and nothing can hurt them.

Maybe you shouldn't be so self-righteous, judgmental, sneering, and stereotyping, and realize this pandemic is all about FEAR. Fear of the virus, which I see plenty of on this forum, and fear of an experimental vaccine and its possible, unknown side effects. Both reactions are normal and human so stop trivializing and mocking other people's pain and anxiety.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1981945)

Here Are The Biggest Groups That Are Still Refusing The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds

EXCERPT.........Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1981964)

The United States government did NOT fund the Pfizer vaccine.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1981322)

Young children MIGHT (?) have long-term neurological problems since that has been established as a problem for children with symptomatic CV and may be worse with the Delta variant? There is probably continuing study about that possibility. I am SURE that vaccination makes that much less likely!