[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Hayek1957

There are very few leaders and influential people in our history that have done nothing that may be regarded as reprehensible in today’s “enlightened” culture. We need to accept that people we respect have their faults regardless of their significant accomplishments.

To demonize historically significant people by contrasting their lifestyle without historical perspective is myopic. This tendency robs our society of the opportunity to appreciate the sacrifice of leaders while still appreciating the fact that they are still human.

Well thought out post. Kudos.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Agreed. Our founding fathers were products of their times and many did own slaves.

Many people in many parts of the world were part of the slave trade including Africans who captured and sold people as slaves.

Unless you learn where the world was and how we reached this point how do you understand history?

Slavery existed in the New World long before Europeans arrived. Native Americans conquered neighboring tribes and made them their slaves.

Looks like we're going to have to tear down any statues of them as well.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Windguy

What could be more biased than home schooling?

Kids are exposed to only one viewpoint—their parents. They interact only with families like their own and they are ill prepared to deal with this great melting pot known as America when they go out into the world. It sows the seeds of racism and hatred. It promotes an us versus them mentality. It’s one of the big things that is destroying our great country. It’s one of the reasons why there is so much division in our country now.

I agree with that. Staying dry was easy when Bobby sang the blues.

[collie1228]

I believe that if I had the opportunity to attend one day of "liberal arts" classes in any major university in this country, I would be flabbergasted at what the radical, far left wing professors are teaching our children. Academia at the high school and college levels in this country have been taken over and dominated by a left wing ideology that doesn't want to change this country; it wants a revolution. And it's in position to make it happen, not caring a whit about the constitution. And one of the most effective means they have to effect their revolution is in the compliant media, where certain voices and opinions are simply not tolerated (see New York Times, op ed by Sen. Tom Cotton).

[Neils]

Politics politics The world turns

Next the future Native American rioters will tear down MLK statues and rename the streets again. They will demand to be paid for their stolen land from both white and black americans.

[Joe C.]

How about we all riot, loot, burn and protest against political correctness?

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by jrg908369

As a southerner born and raised I always wondered why we named military bases after losing generals. And why we put up statutes to losers. Made no sense to me. I was a history major in college and a history buff and I don't see statutes of Hitler in Germany or Mussolini in Italy. They are embarrassed and did something about it. I guess you are also upset that NASCAR has banned the confederate flag and all confederate stuff from their race tracks?

When I was in Germany in 1977 at a bazaar at an Army Base, I was shocked
to see framed pictures of Hitler being sold. I asked my sister, her husband was in the military, and she told me that people buy them ‘lest we forget’. Don’t know if or where they hung them. I was shocked.

[jimjamuser]

I would not consider them as TRAITORS. They were products of their environment. They thought they were right. I am agnostic toward the question of their being traitors or patriots/heroes. They were products of their time and birthplace. ALL humans are (in the past or today). The philosophy----child is father to the man----applies here, I believe.

[PHILLY RICHARD]

For me, next is Happy Hour.
The entire world is going insane. I give up!

[Cranford61]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

What’s next?? Slave owner George Washington will become a pariah. Washington DC will be renamed “Justicetown” and the mall will become BLM Mall. The White House will be repainted in a blend of rainbow colors, brown and black with white window trim. Every town will have a George Floyd Boulevard that intersects with MLK Boulevard. The privileged in thIs new awakened society will be stripped of their ill gotten gains. A new political party, the Boko Hogan will supersede the Conservative Democratic Party. As Obama declared, “new America will be brown” sic.

[NoMoSno]

I guess they should be burning all the dollar bills that are offensive.

[Buckeye Bob]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

I'm not. just referring to this post but all those that criticize the removal of the glorification of men who were traitors and fought against the United States of America.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”



“How could you make appeal to the future when not a trace of you, not even an anonymous word scribbled on a piece of paper, could physically survive?”



“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”



“Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.”



“We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.”



--1984 (George Orwell)

[cassjax2]

Personally I do not understand why the removal of statues, etc., is happening. It is our history and it makes me angry that this is happening.

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by LG999

I dont see how or why opinions would be changed unless and until schools do. Children are not taught American history or civics in school. How can people vote when they have not been taught how our country actually works and why. I do not know if they are taught world history where they would learn the importance of the world wars. Instead, children are taught to be ashamed of themselves and of the US. Therefore it is reasonable to expect them to dismantle it.

Former teacher here....in the state I taught in, students ARE taught American History (required in junior year), required to pass a Constitution test twice (In order to graduate) before High school graduation (8th grade and 11th grade). Information is not shoved down their throats. They have books to read, papers to write, debates and discussions. The problem with history is ....there is not enough time in any one year of curriculum to teach EVERYTHING. And, every day/week/month/year, etc....more information is ‘added’ to history! Plus, there is no national framework with what is to be taught in each grade. It’s a state by state curriculum.

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by collie1228

I believe that if I had the opportunity to attend one day of "liberal arts" classes in any major university in this country, I would be flabbergasted at what the radical, far left wing professors are teaching our children. Academia at the high school and college levels in this country have been taken over and dominated by a left wing ideology that doesn't want to change this country; it wants a revolution. And it's in position to make it happen, not caring a whit about the constitution. And one of the most effective means they have to effect their revolution is in the compliant media, where certain voices and opinions are simply not tolerated (see New York Times, op ed by Sen. Tom Cotton).

Wow...are you a teacher? Did you attend college? Not ALL teachers/college professors are as you describe. Too broad a statement.