[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Hayek1957

There are very few leaders and influential people in our history that have done nothing that may be regarded as reprehensible in today’s “enlightened” culture. We need to accept that people we respect have their faults regardless of their significant accomplishments.

To demonize historically significant people by contrasting their lifestyle without historical perspective is myopic. This tendency robs our society of the opportunity to appreciate the sacrifice of leaders while still appreciating the fact that they are still human.

I'm not. just referring to this post but all those that criticize the removal of the glorification of men who were traitors and fought against the United States of America.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you wonder that? Do you think every picture and statue depicting Christopher Columbus isn't recognizable by anyone who has ever attended grade-school history classes? Or are you suggesting that people protesting against racism never attended grade-school history classes?

This comment is exactly what causes issues. Jumping to conclusions without knowing what the poster meant. How about it meaning that some people are just jumping into the crowd and have no clue whats going on. Its called the mob mentality

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

In UK they are taking down Baden Powells 9Scouts Founder) monument today.
Evidently he is no longer acceptable to certain factions.

how sad to hear this

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by jrg908369

As a southerner born and raised I always wondered why we named military bases after losing generals. And why we put up statutes to losers. Made no sense to me. I was a history major in college and a history buff and I don't see statutes of Hitler in Germany or Mussolini in Italy. They are embarrassed and did something about it. I guess you are also upset that NASCAR has banned the confederate flag and all confederate stuff from their race tracks?

I don't watch NASCAR...never have, never will...that's not even as much fun as watching grass grow...

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

I agree with you about some of this. I believe in showing things as they were or as people thought they were, even if wrong. (From what I hear, much of what Margaret Mitchell wrote about race relations was highly romanticized.) I loved “Song of the South” and the singing crows in “Dumbo.”

However, as a vet, you might like to consider this thought about the statues and military bases. Most of the Confederate generals went to West Point, and when they entered the U.S. Army, they swore solemn oaths to uphold and protect the United States of America. Then they broke their oaths, turned traitor, and took up arms against the country they had promised to protect and tried to destroy it. Why should we have these generals celebrated on our town squares? Why should traitors like Bragg and Pickett and Beauregard have their names on military bases? (And is it significant that there is no Camp Longstreet, given that he repented, became friends with Grant, and led African-American troops?)

Robert E. Lee is a distant relative of mine (through his wife), and I was born in Virginia, and some of my ancestors fought and even died for the South (though one was a captain under Sherman when they rode through Georgia). Even so, I think this is worth considering, on the basis of whether oaths matter.

[Chatbrat]

What sort term memory you'll must have, have you forgotten the constant stream of news clips depicting ISIS, destroying artifacts, temples etc.--because they deemed them unfit for the way they wanted things to be.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

By sanitising half of the history of any country to suit political ccorrectness and social trends, how do future generations learn from past mistakes?
Teach it, warts and all, and let the kids see where our leaders went wrong in the past.
Having said that, looking at the present state of the world, most of todays world leaders, all flunked their history exams!

Agree....because those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Statues of rebel soldiers are inappropriate in our parks and what not. They were traitors and should be vilified and not glorified. If you want them to serve as history lessons, put them in museums that teach about the horrors of slavery and what happens when people stress our differences more than what we have in common.

Exactly!

[karostay]

Tones of IsIs

[fastboat]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

Think about it, we're being told what "to think." The controllers are trying to change history by removing the statues and mouments recording it. As it is most millennial know little about anything prior to the Vietnam war, to them even that it ancient history. Live PD and Cops have been removed from our TV screens. Why, is someone afraid we will see life as it really is? This whole effort is how Stalin, Hitler, Castro and every other dictator came to power. It's like the Taliban blasting religious icons from the mountains in Afghanistan. That was bad THERE but it's okay to do it here. You can't change history by trying to erase it, it's still history.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you wonder that? Do you think every picture and statue depicting Christopher Columbus isn't recognizable by anyone who has ever attended grade-school history classes? Or are you suggesting that people protesting against racism never attended grade-school history classes?

It really doesn't matter. IT REALLY doesn't, in the context of today and it's issues. To me what matters is lack of personal responsibility. AND empathy. Does anyone ever not smile back at you because you like or dislike Christopher Columbus? Does anyone ever not smile back at you because of your color? That began to happen to me after Trayvon Martin was killed. I didn't do anything wrong but people are mad at me.

People are using propaganda to rile up people as if it isn't bad enough. People are ignoring important stuff in order to get all het up. People are looking to get mad. You cannot legislate morality and you can't make lazy people work, but you can pass laws that at least on the face of things makes thing equal. People are gonna be grungy awful and bully weaker people and make fun of people with less and those with handicaps, and people are going to continue to talk down to nice people who worked hard and never did anything wrong but get a speeding ticket when they were 17.

People see what they want to see. Patience goes a long way to solve the problems of the world and also working for a living and saving some money for when things go down the drain so you don't have to have your hand out to the "gubmunt" or pass a fake twenty.....let alone, all should try to stay off the sauce. No matter if the sauce is too many martini's or Fentynal.

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

I agree with you about some of this. I believe in showing things as they were or as people thought they were, even if wrong. (From what I hear, much of what Margaret Mitchell wrote about race relations was highly romanticized.) I loved “Song of the South” and the singing crows in “Dumbo.”

However, as a vet, you might like to consider this thought about the statues and military bases. Most of the Confederate generals went to West Point, and when they entered the U.S. Army, they swore solemn oaths to uphold and protect the United States of America. Then they broke their oaths, turned traitor, and took up arms against the country they had promised to protect and tried to destroy it. Why should we have these generals celebrated on our town squares? Why should traitors like Bragg and Pickett and Beauregard have their names on military bases? (And is it significant that there is no Camp Longstreet, given that he repented, became friends with Grant, and led African-American troops?)

Robert E. Lee is a distant relative of mine (through his wife), and I was born in Virginia, and some of my ancestors fought and even died for the South (though one was a captain under Sherman when they rode through Georgia). Even so, I think this is worth considering, on the basis of whether oaths matter.

Choro&Swing, I also am a Vet and I totally agree with your comment about honoring oaths/pledges/commitments.

I wonder how many of today's demonstrators would actually 'answer the call' like our forefathers did in WWII and Korea and so many of us did during the Viet Nam era on our own or when our number was called?

I'm guessing that these protestors have all made the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag at some point during their young lives.

My hope is that they are never 'tested'...

[ldivens]

It amazes me the people opposed to the destruction of history will not start to protest. The squeaky wheel gets oiled and the people who yell the loudest get their way. We are all Americans and history cannot be changed why do we want to change it now!

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Perhaps part of the problem is they do a terrible job of teaching our history in school.

It is terrible they are removing statues of people who have helped make us the country we are.

Very strangely a statue of Columbus was tossed in a lake.

As a former teacher, it is not that they do a poor job teaching history in school. When you are taught at home by parents who teach you these issues it is bound to be ingrained in you. Students will usually learn the information for the test but it does not mean that they really believe those things. Speaking from many years of experience…

[Two Bills]

Cecil John Rhodes has a statue at Oxford University, and he too has fallen foul of the PC protest.
His statue is to be removed.
However, no one is giving up their Rhodes Scholarships, the oldest, and most prestigeous scholarship at the university in protest, and I am pretty sure, refusing one in the future!!