[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Confederacy lost. The south lost. The Confederate army, led by generals of the southern states, lost, because those generals failed.

I never understood, and still can't understand, why ANYONE would want to display them prominently in a municipality-owned or state-owned or federal-government-owned park. UNLESS they're all lined up with a big sign at each end proclaiming it the Path of Shame.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

And that is exactly what the public school systems in the US are doing, brainwashing and indoctrinating young minds with left wing ideology. You just don't want to recognize it.

LOL

Just the fact that public students will have been exposed to at least 12 different teachers and around 400 other students, all who have their own experiences, by the time they graduate, versus 1 or 2 people who only have their own viewpoints/bias'/prejudices to pass on and drill into them...shows how silly (and dangerous) you're argument really is.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The Confederacy lost. The south lost. The Confederate army, led by generals of the southern states, lost, because those generals failed.

I never understood, and still can't understand, why ANYONE would want to display them prominently in a municipality-owned or state-owned or federal-government-owned park. UNLESS they're all lined up with a big sign at each end proclaiming it the Path of Shame.

Here's why they were built.

Confederate Monuments (click here)

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which maintains a list of these monuments, the memorials are spread over 31 states plus the District of Columbia—far exceeding the 11 Confederate states that seceded at the outset of the Civil War.

“Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.”

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.

And they were so desperate to intimidate blacks, they just grabbed any old general they could find...regardless of how inept they were in the war.

[thomp679]

Originally Posted by fastboat

Think about it, we're being told what "to think." The controllers are trying to change history by removing the statues and mouments recording it. As it is most millennial know little about anything prior to the Vietnam war, to them even that it ancient history. Live PD and Cops have been removed from our TV screens. Why, is someone afraid we will see life as it really is? This whole effort is how Stalin, Hitler, Castro and every other dictator came to power. It's like the Taliban blasting religious icons from the mountains in Afghanistan. That was bad THERE but it's okay to do it here. You can't change history by trying to erase it, it's still history.

Slow the boat, you are going too fast. What is happening is not the eridication of history. They are not taking down statues of American heroes and presidents. Hitler, Castro, Stalin did not go in and remove statues of former traitors.

Now onto your argument about COPS and LivePD. Not sure that should be a major concern. In fact, I think LivePD has not been cancelled. COPS has lived a long life and had already dwindled in popularity enough that it has been airing new episodes on Paramount Network.

History is safe; books are safe. The ironic thing is much of published history has been polished to various leanings. Do you really think George Washington chopped down a cherry tree?

Cherry Tree Myth * George Washington's Mount Vernon

[SPRINGOLO]

Liberal Media is pushing this agenda. Anything to destroy our once proud country. Wonder how they would react if we destroyed black history & monuments.

The only ones benefiting are not black or white but non law abiding. Americans.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by thomp679

Slow the boat, you are going too fast. What is happening is not the eridication of history. They are not taking down statues of American heroes and presidents.

Apparently you missed post #126 above

'Social Justice Warriors' Deface Statues Of Literal Social Justice Warriors

abolitionist Matthias Baldwin



Lincoln Statue in London

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

Anything can be next; too many people nowadays are so scared they might offend someone if they don’t BOW DOWN to their idiotic, senseless demands.

Defund the Police? Really damn stupid idea. Disband Police departments? Really damn stupid idea also.

[thomp679]

Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24

By act of Congress in 1958 all soldiers/sailors who were members of The Confederacy are US Veterans and enjoy the same status as all members of the US Military throughout history!

It may be best if you do a bit more research in your position. This is a debunked interpretation. Think about it - If this was true, it would be a black eye to every US veteran who served our country honorably.

FACT CHECK: Did Congress Designate Confederate Soldiers as United States Veterans?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by SPRINGOLO

Liberal Media is pushing this agenda. Anything to destroy our once proud country. Wonder how they would react if we destroyed black history & monuments.

The only ones benefiting are not black or white but non law abiding. Americans.

Our once proud country was built on the backs of slaves. The agenda is to stop glorifying the people who LOST the war. They lost. You don't want a statue of George Floyd in the town square do you? Why not? Because he LOST. He lost as a member of an oppressed minority, he lost as a man who disobeyed the law several times and was punished for some of it, he lost as a human being when he was murdered by a (currently ex-) cop.

So then what's your problem with tearing down statues of other people who lost? Having lost the Civil War is nothing to be proud of, if you're a Southerner or a "conservative." Your side lost.

Forget about Columbus because as mentioned - he never got into the competition in the first place. His "discovery" of the Americas did not extend to North America, at all. On none of his trips (he took more than one).

[thomp679]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Apparently you missed post #126 above

'Social Justice Warriors' Deface Statues Of Literal Social Justice Warriors

abolitionist Matthias Baldwin

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Lincoln Statue in London

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Ok...but the main discussion is the removal of statues of Confederate soldiers and the naming of US military bases after Confederates who tried to secede from the US. And yes...I have since heard Live PD was cancelled.

[anothersteve]

Since we are talking about tearing down statues, this was at a "protest" in Virginia.
George Floyd protesters: Virginia demonstrator critically injured after being hit by toppled Confederate statue | Newshub

Too bad!

Man struck in head by toppling Confederate statue in Portsmouth, Virginia. - YouTube

I saw a video that had some foul language and would have been deleted. Fun to watch though, again and again and again.........
Steve

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

And that is exactly what the public school systems in the US are doing, brainwashing and indoctrinating young minds with left wing ideology. You just don't want to recognize it.

Our public educators are doing a poor job. Far too much time is spent conditioning our children into being PC and pushing leftist ideologies rather than truly educating them.

U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries | Pew Research Center

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Isn’t it stunning that Europe also had African slaves yet there is rarely any mention of the pervasiveness of it internationally. Their shared history is the basis for the recent solidarity protests abroad. Slavery was not exclusively a white Colonial American phenomenon yet white Americans believe we alone carry the guilt. Oppression and prejudice is real but it is not only dealt to blacks. The strife will only end when we all have respect for the sanctity and dignity of all human life. No one is more valuable than another. The violent destruction of statues and looting of commercial enterprises certainly won’t cause LESS prejudice.

I agree with your assessment when you point out the need for us to respect all human lives. You point out that slavery was not exclusive to white Colonial America. When you point to Europe and only include Africans I don't think it goes far enough. Over thousands of years slavery was (although wrong imo.) common in many if not most cultures. And all slaves did not come from Africa. There were slaves from all parts of the world being sold and sent to all parts of the world. I'm not trying to justify it for, imo it can never be justified.
The phrase that prompted me to respond was "carry the guilt". Since my family, like millions of others, emigrated from various parts of Europe, Scandinavia to Canada and the US to avoid oppression and poverty long after slavery had ended, having never approved of or supported it, why is there this intense and insistent attempt to lay blame and guilt for it on all whites? We all know wrongs have been done,. We now need to quit the shouting and finger pointing, for that behavior only slows our progress toward a country and a world where all are welcome, respected and appreciated.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by kanoa1kale2

I guess that makes soldiers in our war of independence from Great Britain part of the same category. etc., etc.

Not even close. They did not betray us. Why would we want statues honoring people who betrayed us? They are not our heroes. They attacked our great country.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Bellavita

How about we put up monuments for all losers.

Maybe just Participation Trophies...