[Sherry8bal]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We are SO DONE with the continual (for well over one year now) mis-information / misleading / no information / changing information from the so-called "EXPERTS".

We are both fully vaccinated, and will follow the so-called "rules".. but HAVE HAD IT with 'expert leadership' messages and commucations to us>

front-page artcle on USA Today>

Is herd immunity to COVID-19 possible? Experts increasingly say no.

For almost a year, Americans have been looking forward to herd immunity, when enough people are protected through vaccination or past infection to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Once there, public officials have said, masks won't be necessary and hugging and handshakes – not to mention gyms, bars and indoor dining – can return.

But even as more than half of Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore.

“Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated.
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Herd immunity in US likely impossible, but vaccines can control COVID
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It's all about CONTROLLING THE PEOPLE. That's it. It's what the Dems want so they can change this country to communism.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

When is this absurd rumor/myth going to end????

According to the CDC----the COVID infection rate among those fully vaccinated is 0.008%. Actually, the CDC reports 5,814 breakthrough cases out of 85 million vaccinated, which by math is 0.00694%

"Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 5,814 breakthrough cases out of more than 85 million people fully vaccinated in the U.S. Public health experts said those numbers show how well the vaccine protects you"

Translation: Only 1 in 13,000 people who were fully vaccinated got COVID, and probably fewer than that could "pass it on"

Get it now?????

Personally, I was surprised since I thought it would be closer to 5%, but apparently the vaccine is conferring more immunity than originally thought.

So please people, stop posting that you can still get and pass on COVID if you are vaccinated. (Yes, Yes 0.008% is not zero, as some members of the American Association of Amateur Physicians with Google have pointed out in other threads)

Oh boy, here we go again... In your own words: "Only 1 in 13,000 people who were fully vaccinated got COVID, and probably fewer than that could "pass it on"", followed by "stop posting that you can still get and pass on COVID if you are vaccinated"! Just a tad contradictory, don't ya' think??? And I've still seen no recognized authorities claim that the possibility of transmission is a rumor/myth. If you have, please post a link.

I personally don't claim to be a member of any such organization but I do know how to use a search engine as well as read past the first line of whatever hit gives me a warm feeling. (Not to mention posting links to pertinent information that I quote.) More context from the CDC on this issue of breakthrough cases:
"There will be a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19."
"Asymptomatic infections among vaccinated people also will occur."
and "It is important to note that reported vaccine breakthrough cases will represent an undercount. This surveillance system is passive and relies on voluntary reporting from state health departments which may not be complete. Also, not all real-world breakthrough cases will be identified because of lack of testing. This is particularly true in instances of asymptomatic or mild illness.". These cherries from COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

From another CDC page:
"If you get COVID-19 after vaccination, your symptoms might be less severe

Even though a small percentage of fully vaccinated people will get sick, vaccination will protect most people from getting sick. There also is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die." What You Should Know About the Possibility of COVID-19 Illness After Vaccination | CDC
So far as I know, the CDC hasn't said outright that those fully vaccinated and subsequently hospitalized cannot spread the virus.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

Don't throw your mask away next winter - flu, coughs and colds at record lows this year everywhere because of masks. I'll be wearing one from Nov to April in future.

Interesting. Flu is being reported at a lower than average rate. Coughs and colds are not reportable so there is no way anyone knows if there are more or less than average.

Flu may be lower due to masks, or maybe because anything that can be reported as Covid is, or it may just be a lower than average flu season. There is no way to know.

But since it is likely that influenza viruses behave similar to coronaviruses as far as masks go, then the person wearing one is doing more to protect others than himself. So good luck wearing a mask from November through April, enjoy yourself.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Oh boy, here we go again... In your own words: "Only 1 in 13,000 people who were fully vaccinated got COVID, and probably fewer than that could "pass it on"", followed by "stop posting that you can still get and pass on COVID if you are vaccinated"! Just a tad contradictory, don't ya' think??? .

Yep, here we go again. Yes, 0.008% is not zero. But it is so close to zero as to be irrelevant. (and don't give me any crap that it's relevant if YOU get it). Did you see where NASA estimated the chances of getting hit by a meteorite at about 4 times higher than a vaccinated person getting COVID????? Do you walk around looking at the sky???? Or live your life in a bomb shelter???? If not, why are you concerned that a vaccinated person will pass COVID to you. Plus, if you are vaccinated, the chances are now 0.008% x 0.008%, or is that not zero either?

[Joe C.]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Why do you bother with "meds and insulin?"

Meds I take control blood pressure. Insulin is for diabetes most likely contracted from drinking water contaminated with Agent Orange.

Neither condition has been politicized as the Covid-19 has. My diabetes doesn't put people out of work and doesn't pay people to stay home on phony unemployment.

Apples and oranges discussion.

[allsport]

The science of illnesses is always changing, for example prior to Flemming and the discovery of penicillin people died of small infections. Covid 19 is new and a mutating virus. Herd immunity is maybe 80% and in this country we are not there. It has taken decades to cure some kinds of cancer and even when the odds are high for cure, the cancer can mutate. It is an every changing process and you must listen to what CDC has to say now that the scientists are actually in control. In The Villages, we have a high number of people vaccinated but the constant turnover of unvaccinated visitors and workers make it a bit more risky. One of the docs this am said if you are fully vaccinated your chance of getting the virus is .0005%. That is very small and should make it acceptable not to wear a mask outside. Inside that is another manner if you do not know if everyone has been vaccinated. Follow the science and understand one simple thing to make your life more tolerable. The only certain thing in life is change, go with it.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal

It's all about CONTROLLING THE PEOPLE. That's it. It's what the Dems want so they can change this country to communism.

BRAINWASHING check.

As a lifelong conservative member of the GOP, that kind of talk was banished years ago by the GOP, as too radical for a serious party.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I believe that vaccinations are good, but I also believe they should always be voluntary. Quit shaming those that are afraid and won't get theirs.

(you lost me at afraid)

I'll be out and about today, WITH friends from out of town. You will be able to ID us by the absence of masks on any of us. If that offends or frightens you, run for your home or just stay your distance. We probably won't notice you fleeing. You see, we have confidence that the vaccine they pushed on us actually works. I realize that we should not trust the advertising, but maybe we just wish for this to be over so we are easily convinced. Get your vaccinations and feel a little of this freedom too.

I'll be out and about today also...without a mask.....and no vaccination........and you won't be able to ID me as such......if that frightens anyone........well.............

[jimjamuser]

My opinion is that many Village People are like little children in a car on a LONG trip - "Are we there yet?" - "When is this damn CV thing over with" - "I am impatient" - "I will stomp my feet and whine"! Also, they like to think of everything as black or white - neglecting the fact that most things in life are shades of grey. This CV crisis has brought out both of these failings - impatience and rash or superficial judgment.

I was seeing the subject of that USA article coming from a mile away (or 7 months ago). Just by reading the daily TOTV threads and posts, one could see that there was going to be a large amount or % of the local area residents that were NOT, likely NOT, going to take the vaccine. I stated that we could likely end up in a disaster where CV could have been defeated, but was NOT. It is looking more and more like the NOTs (the know nots) will carry the day and control US society. Ignorance is prevailing over Science. Dr. Atlas is beating Dr. Fauci in this tag team match to the death of potentially ONE million US citizens!

Other English-speaking 1st world countries like Australia and New Zealand (and also Japan) had THEIR CV under control even before the vaccines were developed. They could do it with masks, distance inside, and co-operation and teamwork. The US can't finish the job on CV even with vaccines. What has become wrong with our country?????!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MSchad

If you've had your vaccinations and believe you are protected, why worry anymore if that person or that person may not have been vaccinated? Throw your mask away and enjoy life. Or are you not totally sold on the vaccinations actually working?

I answered that question in Post # 87 of yesterday's CV discussion. Please refer back one day.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

The virus is not logical, it takes advantage of mistakes we make.

And we make more than Japan or Switzerland.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Art cov

Unless we are blind, we have seen most of the experts n big shots not following their own guidelines and recommendations. What does that tell you?

That tells me.....a rationalization for not staying informed and deciding what is the RIGHT thing to do for the individual and for society.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Windguy

This is science—not religion. If you want dogma that doesn’t change with new facts, go to church.

The Scientific Method works because new information is used to refute or validate hypotheses (speculations). The hypotheses that survive scrutiny become well-tested theories.

A lot of the early guidance resulted from the experts being conservative because the virus was new and they were not certain how it worked. They tried to head off the selfish hoarders who would have bought up all the masks and left none for the heroes fighting in the trenches, so they discouraged mask use. These people are doing the best they can given the circumstances, so please cut them a little slack.

It didn’t help when anti-science leaders told the public to ignore the scientists. That made it much harder to fight the disease. Far fewer people would be dead and we would be closer to working our way back to normal if it hadn’t been for them.

True!

[Hedyg]

I had the virus in November 2019-I have been vaccinated. In my opinion a mask protects ME not someone else. I feel I am capable of making my own decision as to whether to wear a mask or to go to a particular place-really fed up with businesses requiring masks and trying to avoid them when I can, unfortunately it’s impossible to avoid shopping altogether.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

Meds I take control blood pressure. Insulin is for diabetes most likely contracted from drinking water contaminated with Agent Orange.

Neither condition has been politicized as the Covid-19 has. My diabetes doesn't put people out of work and doesn't pay people to stay home on phony unemployment.

Apples and oranges discussion.

I was being facetious. Joking about the list of stuff NOT taken but then the meds anyway. Sorry, I guess it did not go over very well.

I was sprayed three times with AO, but I am not diabetic...YET. Pretty healthy. My friends died from AO related cancer......supposedly....can't prove it, I guess. I don't get the flu shot and never had the flu and can't remember when I had a cold last. I do know it only lasted a couple days. Must have been about 10 year or so ago.

I wasn't going to get the vaccine, but since I had my spouse signed up, I went along with it. Glad I did because now I can forget to wear my mask and not feel guilty.