[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

So......those people who test positive for what ever reason (example may be to return to work or begin work) they were tested but are asymptomatic are NOT counted in the numbers as a case? That is just wrong.

Ask the WHO. It's their criteria. I've seen studies that indicate that there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread, basically if you have no symptoms, if you aren't sick, you aren't spreading it. I believe University of Florida did such a study.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

People still "cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away" because the experts, scientists and doctors are pleading with us all to do so. Have you read this article that explains why masks and distancing will still be necessary even after a person has been vaccinated with both shots?

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by allsport

I asked someone to put a mask on in the grocery store the other day and the scruffy, dirty old man said he did not believe in the virus. They are definitely around because they all watch the same news feed.

What news feed would that be?

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...

I don't agree with your logic. Yes, the fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines. And people need to keep wearing masks until a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated, to keep the mutations down. According to polls, as of Jan 21, about 2/3 of the population has said they would get the vaccine.According to Fauci, we need about 75% to get the vaccine. So we're close. I'm hoping people will do the right thing.The government is doing all possible to increase the vaccine supply and to help the states with whatever they need to get vaccines in arms.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...

Yes, I read the entire article. I always read the articles I link in my posts. The article explains why "Even as concerns about the virus hopefully start to wane as more and more people get vaccinated, current public health measures including social distancing and face masks will likely need to be sustained." That was my take on it.

The quoted section of this post is the last paragraph of the article in case there are those who did not read it.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Yes, I read the entire article. I always read the articles I link in my posts. The article explains why "Even as concerns about the virus hopefully start to wane as more and more people get vaccinated, current public health measures including social distancing and face masks will likely need to be sustained." That was my take on it.

The quoted section of this post is the last paragraph of the article in case there are those who did not read it.

As I said in my reply, that quote is the only time in the entire article that masks are mentioned. It is a throwaway line at the end of the article which actually contradicts the article itself.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I don't agree with your logic. Yes, the fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines. And people need to keep wearing masks until a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated, to keep the mutations down. According to polls, as of Jan 21, about 2/3 of the population has said they would get the vaccine.According to Fauci, we need about 75% to get the vaccine. So we're close. I'm hoping people will do the right thing.The government is doing all possible to increase the vaccine supply and to help the states with whatever they need to get vaccines in arms.

It’s not my logic, it’s the logic of the author of the article. I wasn’t the one who posted a link to that article. That was another poster who claimed that the article supported her belief in long term mask wearing. I simply pointed out that she used a very bad example to support her position. I think it’s a lazy approach to use an opinion piece to back you assertions. It’s much more effective to use numbers and facts, but if are going to use an opinion piece, at least be smart enough to choose one that coincides with your beliefs...

[Byte1]

Well, you all can hysterically argue that wearing a mask is a necessity to the survival of the human race all you wish but I have no intention of wearing one once I have my second shot. I have never worn a mask in my lifetime for some illness and I have no intention of doing so for this MAN MADE scourge. When the hurricane came through here, I did not run to a shelter. I stayed home and watched the tracking on cable and followed it as it left the area. No one can make you go to a shelter during a storm. They even say "mandatory evacuation" and folks still stay home.
Anyone that suggests that you are putting someone in danger if you do not wear a mask is just being ludicrous. If you are not infected, whether or not you know for sure, you can not be held responsible for putting anyone in danger. These hysterical nellies need to shut up and go hide under their beds or in their leftover safe rooms and let the rest of the world pass them by.
By this time next year or the next, anyone tested will probably test positive for the virus, even though they have no infection. I have seen folks test positive for TB that did not have it, just came into contact with someone that had it. Most likely, EVERYONE will have come into contact with someone that has had it, has it or will have it. It will be in everyone and it is just a matter of time. IT will get weaker and weaker until it will be as common, but less harmful than the common cold. Just my opinion but just as valid as anything that false profit, Fauci might say.
If you wish to wear a mask because of the slightest risk of becoming infected, then go for it. In Tokyo you will see that it is common and has been for years to see many folks wearing face masks. If you wish to wear one, do it but leave the rest of us that are willing to sacrifice the one in a million chance of dying from this man made virus, alone to live our "dangerous" lives. It will not have any effect on you IF you wear a good mask.
I will reiterate what I have said many times on here, IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR HEALTH. If you folks are so weak that you need someone else to be responsible for you, we have nursing homes set up to check you in.
Selfish? oooo, that hurts..........NOT!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

It’s not my logic, it’s the logic of the author of the article. I wasn’t the one who posted a link to that article. That was another poster who claimed that the article supported her belief in long term mask wearing. I simply pointed out that she used a very bad example to support her position. I think it’s a lazy approach to use an opinion piece to back you assertions. It’s much more effective to use numbers and facts, but if are going to use an opinion piece, at least be smart enough to choose one that coincides with your beliefs...

"As effective as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are in preventing illness, we don't know yet if they will entirely erase the risk of infection or further transmission of the virus."

This paragraph which is actually highlighted in the article, tells me that masks WILL be in our future for quite some time. What does this paragraph say to you?

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Well, you all can hysterically argue that wearing a mask is a necessity to the survival of the human race all you wish but I have no intention of wearing one once I have my second shot. I have never worn a mask in my lifetime for some illness and I have no intention of doing so for this MAN MADE scourge. When the hurricane came through here, I did not run to a shelter. I stayed home and watched the tracking on cable and followed it as it left the area. No one can make you go to a shelter during a storm. They even say "mandatory evacuation" and folks still stay home.
Anyone that suggests that you are putting someone in danger if you do not wear a mask is just being ludicrous. If you are not infected, whether or not you know for sure, you can not be held responsible for putting anyone in danger. These hysterical nellies need to shut up and go hide under their beds or in their leftover safe rooms and let the rest of the world pass them by.
By this time next year or the next, anyone tested will probably test positive for the virus, even though they have no infection. I have seen folks test positive for TB that did not have it, just came into contact with someone that had it. Most likely, EVERYONE will have come into contact with someone that has had it, has it or will have it. It will be in everyone and it is just a matter of time. IT will get weaker and weaker until it will be as common, but less harmful than the common cold. Just my opinion but just as valid as anything that false profit, Fauci might say.
If you wish to wear a mask because of the slightest risk of becoming infected, then go for it. In Tokyo you will see that it is common and has been for years to see many folks wearing face masks. If you wish to wear one, do it but leave the rest of us that are willing to sacrifice the one in a million chance of dying from this man made virus, alone to live our "dangerous" lives. It will not have any effect on you IF you wear a good mask.
I will reiterate what I have said many times on here, IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR HEALTH. If you folks are so weak that you need someone else to be responsible for you, we have nursing homes set up to check you in.
Selfish? oooo, that hurts..........NOT!

2nd shot tomorrow. In a few weeks the only time I will wear a mask again is if there is a business I must enter requires one. People need to take charge of their own health. Wear your masks or cower in fear. I do not care. I have the rest of my life to live, the way I want. That is my right. So long, mask cultists!

[Bill14564]

The things people are willing to write in a public forum... WOW, just WOW!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

If someone goes around without a mask and doesn't sneeze or cough on you or something you touch(and if you do touch I assume you're applying a sanitizing solution of at least 70% alcohol)then you have nothing to worry about.

The latest studies on the transmissibility of the B117 variant is that it is 35-40% more transmissible than the first variant, upon which most data has been collected. Recent B117 studies have shown that in an adequately ventilated space with subjects placed 6 feet apart and having masks and shields, subjects with beards in the study were infected after a significant periods of time, meaning several hours or more.

Estimated transmissibility and severity of novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in England | CMMID Repository


good luck with your home grown beliefs.

science guy

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

"As effective as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are in preventing illness, we don't know yet if they will entirely erase the risk of infection or further transmission of the virus."

This paragraph which is actually highlighted in the article, tells me that masks WILL be in our future for quite some time. What does this paragraph say to you?

You really want to beat that dead horse, don’t you?!? The article talks about how we can achieve herd immunity both with, and in addition to, the vaccine. Think for just a moment. For you to build immunity without the vaccine means you need to be exposed to the virus. If only 60% of Americans get vaccinated, the only way to reach the numbers required to achieve herd immunity is through the formation of naturally occurring antibodies from exposure to the virus. The article stressed that quicker we reach herd immunity the less time the virus has to mutate...
If you were looking for an article that supports your opinion that we should continue to wear masks, even after the distribution of the vaccine - you picked the wrong article...

[Justus]

I repeat. Had we initially been allowed to achieve herd immunity naturally - a year ago - the virus would have been history by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I still wonder if there's anyone on this forum who also watched the video of Bill and Melinda Gates' October, 2019 meeting with the WHO et al, setting the stage for a hypothetical Coronavirus pandemic...two months before Covid hit.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Justus

I repeat. Had we initially been allowed to achieve herd immunity naturally - a year ago - the virus would have been history by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I still wonder if there's anyone on this forum who also watched the video of Bill and Melinda Gates' October, 2019 meeting with the WHO et al, setting the stage for a hypothetical Coronavirus pandemic...two months before Covid hit.

Have you thought this through?

30M known infected so far. Possibility of 30M more infected but asymptomatic. 450,000 deaths. 75% of population with immunity as a minimum to stop the virus.

Fun with math:

450,000 deaths from 60M infections is a death rate of .75%

75% immunity among 330M US population means about 250M will need to be infected and develop immunity.

.75% death rate in a group of 250M means 1,875,000 deaths to get to the minimum immunity level required to stop he virus.

Are you really so callous as to wish for 1.3M MORE dead just so that you don't need to wear a mask in certain businesses for a little longer?

The conspirators recorded themselves discussing their plans, publicized it two months before putting the plan into action, and then removed it to cover their tracks? Yeah, okay.