[Jacob85]

I have heard the opposite from epidemiologist. I have also, heard of people getting it twice. And then there is the long haulers results. I guess if you look hard enough you will find someone who backs up your theory

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not again!

That data contains only 14 states of which do not include Florida, Texas, or Louisiana.

Take a look at the WaPo site or NYT site (or others I can't think of right now) to see what the hospitalization across all the US looks like. Florida has already exceeded its all-time Covid hospitalization peak. If it offends you to look at those sites, take a look at the graphs in this CDC report - they compare very well with what the newspapers show.

Not again! Someone promoting NYT and WAPO as unbiased news sources.

As of Monday, 11,863 inpatient beds in Florida were being used by COVID-19 patients, about 22 percent of all inpatient beds in the state, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services data show. No other state had as high of a utilization rate.

The federal data also show that about 86 percent of the 6,572 intensive-care unit beds in Florida were occupied. About 38 percent of the filled ICU beds were occupied by patients with COVID-19, the deadly respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

Florida has the highest rate of hospital beds taken up by COVID-19 patients in nation | Blogs

So 22% of all beds and 38% of ICU beds are covid patients. Let's panic.

[Dgodin]

Get the damn vaccine and quit looking for excuses in pseudoscience and false analysis. It's the patriotic thing to do for your fellow Americans. Either we stop COVID or it will mutate into something worse than the delta variant, which is now killing young people.
And people refusing the vaccine should be ashamed of their cowardice and self centeredness.
If you don't want to get the vaccine stay away from public places.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The results of the laboratory study are not evident in the real-world data. I'm sure a study somewhere will figure out why.

One thing to note: the laboratory study found that "the Delta variant is both more transmissible and better able to evade prior immunity caused due to previous infection." which kind of seems to argue against your second link.

Real world data? Appears you did not read this link in the OP

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

[Pessemist]

It makes sense, sense your immune system has been exposed to the entire virus and was robust enough to fend off the infection before it kills you. The vaccine consists of some of the proteins that make up the virus, not the entire virus itself (DoH)! So the immune response is triggered for those specific proteins..and usually that's all you need.

You can still get infected by Covid after the vaccine. But you have about 97% protection against the infection becoming fatal. You can even get a sub clinical infection that you can pass on to the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people have a MUCH greater chance of dying because their immune system takes longer to 'ramp up' than the virus takes to kill them.

That's why all this BULL**** about peoples 'Right' not to get vaccinated is nonsense. For example, you don't have the 'right' to drive your car 100mph. You don't have the 'Right' to use toxins in your company to maximize your profits. Y Same with vaccine: You don't have the 'Right' to infect those around you with a lethal virus.

For historical perspective on this, I suggest looking up the story of Typhoid Mary and her insistence on working in the food industry despite the many who were infected as a result.

I would dare suggest that Individual rights end when they inflict death and disease on others...robbing them of THEIR rights.

[Two Bills]

So if you have had the virus and survive, as most do, you have antibodies.
If you are vaccinated you have antibodies.
Why all the fuss and argument?
The only people who should have a problem are those without vaccinations, or have not had the virus.
All this B$ about whose antibodies are best is ridiculous.
All antibodies are good!

As for Delta.
It has swept through UK, and the numbers of those hospitalised, or died, is way down from the first wave that hit us hard.
Something is working!

[FromNY]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please provide the data showing what the actual rise in young, unvaccinated people dying is. Actual data, not fear mongering TV or newspaper reports designed to increase viewership…

Hospital personal shared . Plus reports from hospitals.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by FromNY

Hospital personal shared . Plus reports from hospitals.

Please provide the “reports from hospitals”.
“Hospital personal shared” means nothing.

[glsatterlee]

One dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough for folks who've had COVID: study
One dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough for folks who've had COVID: study

[QUOTE=S=kBlogW;1986357]Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.[/QUOTE

Do your research before you judge others for not taking the highly still experimental drug. Trust not in your government or the CDC. Unbelievable!

[glsatterlee]

People who have recovered from COVID-19 retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, according to a new study.

Findings of the study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far, have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses.

For the longitudinal study in Cell Reports Medicine, researchers looked at 254 patients with mostly mild to moderate symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection over a period of more than eight months (250 days) and found that their immune response to the virus remained durable and strong.

The findings are reassuring, especially given early reports during the pandemic that protective neutralizing antibodies didn’t last in COVID-19 patients, said Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.

“The study serves as a framework to define and predict long-lived immunity to SARS-CoV-2 after natural infection. We also saw indications in this phase that natural immunity could continue to persist,” Ahmed said.

The research team will continue to evaluate this cohort over the next few years.

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The researchers found that not only did the immune response increase with disease severity but also with each decade of age regardless of disease severity, suggesting that there are additional unknown factors influencing age-related differences in COVID-19 responses.

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In following the patients for months, researchers got a more nuanced view of how the immune system responds to COVID-19 infection. The picture that emerges indicates that the body’s defense shield not only produces an array of neutralizing antibodies but activates certain T and B cells to establish immune memory, offering more sustained defenses against reinfection.

“We saw that antibody responses, especially IgG antibodies, were not only durable in the vast majority of patients but decayed at a slower rate than previously estimated, which suggests that patients are generating longer-lived plasma cells that can neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.”

Ahmed said investigators were surprised to see that convalescent participants also displayed increased immunity against common human coronaviruses as well as SARS-CoV-1, a close relative of the current coronavirus. The study suggests that patients who survived COVID-19 are likely to also possess protective immunity even against some SARS-CoV-2 variants.

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“Vaccines that target other parts of the virus rather than just the spike protein may be more helpful in containing infection as SARS-CoV-2 variants overtake the prevailing strains,” Ahmed said. “This could pave the way for us to design vaccines that address multiple coronaviruses.”

The researchers said the study more comprehensively identifies the adaptive immune components leading to recovery, and that it will serve as a benchmark for immune memory induced by SARS-CoV-2vaccines.

“We can build on these results to define the progression to long-lived immunity against the new coronavirus, which can guide rational responses when future outbreaks occur,” Ahmed said.

The National Institutes of Health funded the work, which is a collaboration between Emory University and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington.

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

That’s a terrible thing to say that boomers are self centered and “check their privilege” perhaps that’s a personal reference. The words say more about character of the author than the benefit of saying it. Why doesn’t the hall monitor of this site send you a slap on the wrist ?

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Florida Health Department Claims CDC Released Incorrect COVID Numbers
Go To the Palmieri Report for the article.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

So if you have had the virus and survive, as most do, you have antibodies.
If you are vaccinated you have antibodies.
Why all the fuss and argument?
The only people who should have a problem are those without vaccinations, or have not had the virus.
All this B$ about whose antibodies are best is ridiculous.
All antibodies are good!

As for Delta.
It has swept through UK, and the numbers of those hospitalised, or died, is way down from the first wave that hit us hard.
Something is working!

Correct, the reason I posted this info is because I see so many posts saying anyone who is not vaccinated is evil and putting everyone else at risk. They never seem to realize that over 100 million americans have natural antibodies from previous exposure and these people should be able to do anything vaccinated people can do and in fact their immunity is slightly stronger currently.

[MDLNB]

The OP provided some information and an opinion and the same old gloom and doomers crucified him/her.

Get your shot or don't get your shot. Actually it doesn't matter to me. I believe we have too many leaches of resources as it is and thinning the herd might be an improvement.

A few voices on here attempt to use their prejudice and bias toward those that they are SURE did not get vaccinated. American freedom is dependent on whether your actions meet their approval when reality is that they have self-centered self-interest as motivation.
I had visitors from up North. They have all had Covid, all four of them. After arriving they told me not to worry as they had just been tested before their traveled down here. They had plenty of antibody protection. None of them have had the shots as they were too young when the shots were available and then had Covid and their doctor told them NOT to get the shots at that time. I really do not care whether you believe me or not - just stating.
I find it amusing that you all are STILL harping on, demanding that others get the shots. Your fear and lack of confidence in the vaccine is amazing. Your lack of confidence in science is also funny. You don't even hide the fact that you are so scared and then quote from media that are proven fear mongers. You all actually blame politics for others not conforming to YOUR standards and wishes. If someone has had covid and does not wish to get vaccinated right now or was advised against it bey their doctor you act like they have no right to put you in harms way. Panic much?
My opinion: If you have medical issues consider getting the vaccination. Do not force this vaccination on children unless they have medical issues. We still don't know how it will effect them. No one can know. If we get the vaccination and it turns out that there is a surprise later it won't matter because we are old and have little time left anyway. If children get the shots and it turns out later they may have to endure something serious for decades or even shorten their lives. I don't think that will happen but why worry when children and healthy folks manage the virus easily.
For you that blame others for your insecurity, restock your saferooms and stay there until given the all clear. I doubt there will ever be a safe time in your lives but maybe you will "grow some hair" and learn to survive hardships like your parents likely had to.