[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Google Dr Dan Stock for the documented truth on the virus, vaccine and masks.

Yup. This guy knows what's going on and has no political agenda. The entire world should be listening to him.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Dgodin

Get the damn vaccine and quit looking for excuses in pseudoscience and false analysis. It's the patriotic thing to do for your fellow Americans. Either we stop COVID or it will mutate into something worse than the delta variant, which is now killing young people.
And people refusing the vaccine should be ashamed of their cowardice and self centeredness.
If you don't want to get the vaccine stay away from public places.

Sorry, but you're just not getting it. Just like we can't stop the flu or the common cold, we can't stop this virus.

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Certainly interesting that you don't mention the Coronavirus patients who did not recover.

[stevemac]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

So I should get covid and hope I don’t join the 600,000 who died.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

Could not have said it better myself! My good friend from CA was super healthy, worked out regularly, died of covid….. he was 46. This was before the vaccine. But I have brothers in their 40’s who also are anti-vaxxers (covid only) and they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the lamp, if you know what I’m saying. But alas, they did finally get the vaccine.

Sorry about your good friend.

Those bulbs just shined brighter.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

You do know you are desperately trying to compare President Obama's 3 hour outdoor birthday party where 200 people attended who were 100% vaccinated.....to a one week biker rally attended by close to 600,000 who crowd into bars every night? FYI we see what you are doing......

The party was outdoors? Everyone was 100% vaccinated? So........what is the problem???
Good for them for doing the celebration as safely as possible.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

That’s because the study in the US was pre Delta…
Pre Delta there were almost no breakthrough cases. Now breakthrough cases in the US are very common.

Yes, breakthrough cases are more common BUT....deaths are very few and far between. I'm more concerned at this point about not having severe symptoms, hospitalization and death. I can handle a few sniffles.

Has anyone heard, read or saw on their television if being vaccinated will prevent long haul symptoms after contracting Covid? THAT is the one thing I'm still a bit concerned about. I don't believe I will die of the virus but do NOT want to deal with long haul symptoms. I do know that it has been documented that people who do suffer from long haul symptoms HAVE had relief of long haul symptoms after they were vaccinated with mRNA vaccines. So, there is another benefit of the mRNA vaccines.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Google Dr Dan Stock for the documented truth on the virus, vaccine and masks.

I watched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

Polio did not become endemic nor did Small Pox. I just heard today on my MSM television news source that Covid would be easier to eradicate than Polio. Yes, that is exactly what was said. They went on to say the vaccines are the key element to eradicate Covid. So, there is that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by WVB#1

And you actually seem proud of yourself for this - enough to say it again! Shame on you! How sad!

Yes, I am proud. Thank you very much.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Proveone

Talk about a message that is Gobbledygook! Did you consult Scott Atlas for the background information?

You must have a lot of time on your hands. Next time put out information that is relevant and has a legitimate purpose.

I can't even say, "Nice try".

Who did you address this reply to? You didn't QUOTE the poster.

[aallbrand]

The info on the internet is almost all fake news. Israeli Health Ministry stories are made up stories for suckers . Please everyone do not get your news on the internet.

Ask your Doctor or use reputable sites like The Mayo Clinic , Cleveland Clinic or the CDC

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dgodin

Get the damn vaccine and quit looking for excuses in pseudoscience and false analysis. It's the patriotic thing to do for your fellow Americans. Either we stop COVID or it will mutate into something worse than the delta variant, which is now killing young people.
And people refusing the vaccine should be ashamed of their cowardice and self centeredness.
If you don't want to get the vaccine stay away from public places.

I concur.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Correct, the reason I posted this info is because I see so many posts saying anyone who is not vaccinated is evil and putting everyone else at risk. They never seem to realize that over 100 million americans have natural antibodies from previous exposure and these people should be able to do anything vaccinated people can do and in fact their immunity is slightly stronger currently.

But what about all those folks who have escaped the dreaded virus so far and have not been vaccinated? They remain prime hosts of this virus to mutate and create more variants. THOSE are the people who should be getting themselves vaccinated. We need to act quickly on this. Why wait?

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Then why are most patients in hospitals the ones who have been vaxxed? You are not getting the straight scoop for the msm. I hope there is something to help those who have been vaxxed and the spike protein does not harm you the way so many people have been harmed already. The number of those who died is alarming, but they won't stop. That's why they are already saying you need boosters every 6 months.