[Velvet]

Originally Posted by merrymini

Vaccines for some of these other diseases are different than for the Chinese flu. After all, the regular flu has a new shot every year. Tired of all the self righteous garbage. Should we withhold care from people who are over weight and get diabetes because they do not stop eating and have never seen the inside of a gym? Withhold care from people who develop lung cancer because they smoke?

Can the over weight person, pass it on to you? Can the smoker? Now what about the person with Covid. That’s the problem. They may chose to get sick but what about the people who they give it to? It’s about accountability. Like a person shooting bullets and hitting a passerby. It was the passerby’s fault according to them. But it is the shooter who gets prosecuted in our society.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Can the over weight person, pass it on to you? Can the smoker? Now what about the person with Covid. That’s the problem. They may chose to get sick but what about the people who they give it to? It’s about accountability. Like a person shooting bullets and hitting a passerby. It was the passerby’s fault according to them. But it is the shooter who gets prosecuted in our society.

Actually, according to the CDC, there are 44,000 second hand smoking related deaths every year. So, yes, the smoker can “pass it on”…

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Not any more dangerous a spreader than an un-vaccinated asymptomatic person who also would not quarantine, I would think.Vaccinated people are not contagious as long as un-vaccinated people and I heard that just a day ago.

You are the one who suggested that vaccinated people in breakthrough cases are more likely to be asymptomatic. Therefore more likely not to quarantine. Therefore more likely to spread the virus.
Please provide a link supporting your claim that vaccinated people are contagious for a shorter period of time.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Actually, according to the CDC, there are 44,000 second hand smoking related deaths every year. So, yes, the smoker can “pass it on”…

Well, I guess that is true that’s why we designate places for smokers. Wish Covid would smell like smoke so we could tell when we are near danger.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

You are the one who suggested that vaccinated people in breakthrough cases are more likely to be asymptomatic. Therefore more likely not to quarantine. Therefore more likely to spread the virus.
Please provide a link supporting your claim that vaccinated people are contagious for a shorter period of time.

Check the 4th bullet point in the "Infections and Spread" section from the CDC......

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Sheltie-Lover

Another rude self righteous A$$. Grumpy Old Man is one of the reasons I read TOTV everyday before work. It makes me feel a little better that we still have some common sense left.

Yeah, me too. The wrong person left.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Well, I guess that is true that’s why we designate places for smokers. Wish Covid would smell like smoke so we could tell when we are near danger.

Try social distancing according to the strong smell of some women's perfume. Although, I doubt any virus could survive the smell, let alone infect anyone.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

Russian roulette club meets at his house.

[Kritsa]

American Association of Physicians and Surgeons website has a lot of information regarding early treatment for COVID. Studies are showing if you get early treatment( as opposed to sitting at home and waiting for it to get bad enough to go to the hospital) you have a much better outcome...
Just throwing that out there as a public service announcement... Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you... We are not all alike- we have different co-morbidities, different health history backgrounds- and a "one size fits all" approach does not work .
Figure out what is best for you, and do it.

If this helps one person, I will be doing a happy dance...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Kritsa

American Association of Physicians and Surgeons website has a lot of information regarding early treatment for COVID. Studies are showing if you get early treatment( as opposed to sitting at home and waiting for it to get bad enough to go to the hospital) you have a much better outcome...
Just throwing that out there as a public service announcement... Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you... We are not all alike- we have different co-morbidities, different health history backgrounds- and a "one size fits all" approach does not work .
Figure out what is best for you, and do it.

If this helps one person, I will be doing a happy dance...

Very dangerous advice. "Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you" How about go to your doctor and listen to his expert advice. 99% of the people don't have the ability to do the correct research and understand what they are reading. And even if they do, unless they have a license they cannot "treat themselves" It's posts like this one that do more harm than good by implying that people can become an expert after a "google search"

And I'll use AAPS as an example of ridiculous "research"---

"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is an ultra-right-wing non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."

And this is the site cited for "lots of information"
Res ipsa loquitur

[eremite06]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

And now, a new study shows survivors of COVID-19 who ignored getting the vaccine are now twice as likely to get reinfected.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by eremite06

And now, a new study shows survivors of COVID-19 who ignored getting the vaccine are now twice as likely to get reinfected.

Interesting. Do you have a link to that "study?"

[eremite06]

Today's SUN. Page A-13.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Very dangerous advice. "Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you" How about go to your doctor and listen to his expert advice. 99% of the people don't have the ability to do the correct research and understand what they are reading. And even if they do, unless they have a license they cannot "treat themselves" It's posts like this one that do more harm than good by implying that people can become an expert after a "google search"

And I'll use AAPS as an example of ridiculous "research"---

"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is an ultra-right-wing non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."

And this is the site cited for "lots of information"
Res ipsa loquitur

Problem is many people may not realize they are getting advice from sites such as this and have no idea they are receiving misinformation.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by eremite06

Today's SUN.

The SUN did a study? What did they do, take a Poll?