[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I dislike the IDEA of new immigrants. It's NOT a dislike of any ethnic group. It is strictly a numbers thing - a population thing. Everyone wants more and better roads. But few think of roads per population as I do. Or more broadly, ALL US resources per person. Maybe our current roads, for example, are good enough for 275 MILLION people, NOT 350 MILLION people? Has anyone ever calculated an OPTIMUM population in the US considering the US total resources. I have NEVER heard of that! In biology, ALL SPECIES have a certain HOLDING capacity considering their environment. Man is NOT exempt from THAT natural law. WE can see from Global Warming that MAN is past its holding capacity on earth. THAT has created a ZILLION problems and IS the base cause. Ask yourself, "why are people migrating northward into the US and Europe?"

Because the USA is a better place to live, has better opportunities, has better healthcare, has better chance to survive through fascism (since that's what they are living with in their home countries right now)?

If you want people to stop trying to come here, then you need to make this an unattractive destination point. And at that point, why would YOU want to live here?

Also you could say the same thing about Florida. Imagine all the people who were born and raised in Florida, saying the exact same thing about the "immigrants" from other parts of this country? Imagine - all the people who were born and raised in Sumter County, saying the exact same thing about the Villages and all of us who have MIGRATED to Florida in our retirement.

Be grateful they didn't build a wall to keep you out.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also if you want to understand this whole topic better, this guy from northern Florida explains it really well.

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[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

WE agree that world population IS too HIGH. I agree that Australia increased its GNP with MORE immigrants. GNP is NOT some GOD. It is, in fact, a very DUMB yardstick to measure HUMAN society with. I would suggest that QUALITY of LIFE would be MUCH better! A simple example........the US has had GNP increase recently, yet CV has messed around with many people's Quality of Life. Another example.......for the last 10 or many more years GNP has increased - yet people are having fewer children partly because they say "the next generation will be less "well off" than our current one. Less "well off" equates to Quality of Life, not GNP. GNP is like a FALSE GOD cooked up by Wall Street and ad agencies as a SUBSTITUTE for HUMAN HAPPINESS! Just be aware of that.

Okay, here is a comparison of quality of life in the US vs Australia.

United States compared to Australia

(Hint: The US doesn't do well)

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Excellent explanation! Thank you.

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From what I've read, critical race theory is really two ideas.

The first is that the very idea of race is not based on biology or science of any kind. There's nothing about the physiology of humans that neatly divides humanity into categories like "white", "black", "Asian", etc. The attempts to divide people into these categories were done societally, not scientifically.

The second idea is that American history shows us that governments put in place in the Americas by European settlers were and continue to be racist in nature. To steal land away from the indigenous people, governments put into place laws that made those peoples have fewer or any rights and encouraged the suppression of those peoples. Prior to the industrial revolution, manual labor was vital and slave labor was cheaper than paid labor, so laws were put into place to allow kidnapping, torturing and enslaving peoples from other countries, especially Africa. Laws were put into place over time to exclude Asians. During World War II, people of Japanese heritage were robbed of their properties and imprisoned while people of German heritage were not. Even after the emancipation of enslaved people in America, voting rights were suppressed and continue to be so to this day.

Critical race theory doesn't paint an artificially pretty picture of American history or governance. If you read history deeply, however, it is probably a more accurate picture. Does this divide people? Possibly. Some people are averse to learning unpleasant truths. I've always thought that true patriotism wasn't blindly loving ones country, right or wrong but rather wanting the best for and out of ones country, realizing when ones country was wrong or doing wrong and changing it for the better even if that involves discomfort and hard work.

America isn't perfect and never was. It gets better over time, despite occasional backsliding. I hope it continues to get better and better in the future. Pretending we are and have been perfect won't help us get there.
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It is a great explanation and well said..

It will not deter those who are harming our country in so many ways. I say that with great pain because I belonged to that "team" for so many years.

For a group selling such fear....who continually harps on big government, they want to have elected officials decide what history should be taught. That is flat out scary. But, it shows fear of people with a different color skin is greater than the destruction of our democracy.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Because the USA is a better place to live, has better opportunities, has better healthcare, has better chance to survive through fascism (since that's what they are living with in their home countries right now)?

If you want people to stop trying to come here, then you need to make this an unattractive destination point. And at that point, why would YOU want to live here?

Also you could say the same thing about Florida. Imagine all the people who were born and raised in Florida, saying the exact same thing about the "immigrants" from other parts of this country? Imagine - all the people who were born and raised in Sumter County, saying the exact same thing about the Villages and all of us who have MIGRATED to Florida in our retirement.

Be grateful they didn't build a wall to keep you out.

Good, I thought my hypothesis would touch a nerve. Immigration was good up till about 1980 when it became excessive in MY opinion. And you did NOT Address my comment about either quality of life or an OPTIMUM population. Suppose you have 2 dogs in your house. Life is good. Then you get to 5 dogs, and you husband feels that he is spending too much time feeding and going to the Vet. for them. Then, you get to 10 dogs and the neighbors start complaining and you have to defend against a lawsuit and your neighbors no longer talk to you. Life has less quality of life. Then you get 20 dogs and rocks are thrown through your windows. Then you are away and the house is burned down. Now, life is terrible for YOU. I know you see my point. It just sounds anti-progressive. I get that!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I dislike the IDEA of new immigrants. It's NOT a dislike of any ethnic group. It is strictly a numbers thing - a population thing. Everyone wants more and better roads. But few think of roads per population as I do. Or more broadly, ALL US resources per person. Maybe our current roads, for example, are good enough for 275 MILLION people, NOT 350 MILLION people? Has anyone ever calculated an OPTIMUM population in the US considering the US total resources. I have NEVER heard of that! In biology, ALL SPECIES have a certain HOLDING capacity considering their environment. Man is NOT exempt from THAT natural law. WE can see from Global Warming that MAN is past its holding capacity on earth. THAT has created a ZILLION problems and IS the base cause. Ask yourself, "why are people migrating northward into the US and Europe?"

We should be embracing immigration. Our future looks quite grim without it. This is why the inane conversation about infrastructure simply points out the lack of forward thinking in Washington.

We simply do not have enough "workers" to grow, without the infrastructure.


I offer this, but there are many good, well thought out, dissertations on this subject.

This was published about 5 months ago.

What the 2020 census will reveal about America: Stagnating growth, an aging population, and youthful diversity

Better than talking about immigrants, AND blacks as a group to fear, we should look forward and embrace new ideas and thoughts.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Also if you want to understand this whole topic better, this guy from northern Florida explains it really well.

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Sorry, I am NOT on Facebook to protest Mark Zuckerdorkhead elitist scumbag (that the government should break up)!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Okay, here is a comparison of quality of life in the US vs Australia.

United States compared to Australia

(Hint: The US doesn't do well)

Yes thanks - that helps prove my point about GNP. And I bet Australia has less population density than the US. And a better mental health situation.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

We should be embracing immigration. Our future looks quite grim without it. This is why the inane conversation about infrastructure simply points out the lack of forward thinking in Washington.

We simply do not have enough "workers" to grow, without the infrastructure.


I offer this, but there are many good, well thought out, dissertations on this subject.

This was published about 5 months ago.

What the 2020 census will reveal about America: Stagnating growth, an aging population, and youthful diversity

Better than talking about immigrants, AND blacks as a group to fear, we should look forward and embrace new ideas and thoughts.

You said "to grow". That's like GNP - it is a FALSE GOD. Read my posts carefully...please......please then decide with an open mind. Please!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

You said "to grow". That's like GNP - it is a FALSE GOD. Read my posts carefully...please......please then decide with an open mind. Please!

I have been reading (and posting) on this. I offer more food for thought....

More Immigration Needed to Offset COVID-19 and America’s Demographic Decline | Mercatus Center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...511_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...08f_story.html

We are becoming an older, bitter country. We need an infusion of new minds and bodies....heck even if to just fill the job openings that grow, despite COVID.

[graciegirl]

When the recurrent motive a poster has is to find something to be angry about, his/her logic is lost on me.

I feel and see and recognize someone wanting a fight. I get to the point I don't care much why they are angry.

There are some things between humans that are just based on innate instinct. We know when someone is out to harm and someone is afraid and someone is truly thinking and absorbing and allowing themselves to process knowledge.

Every one of us in this dangerous world should be profiling if they do not do so. It isn't wrong to separate yourself from danger and dangerous situations and dangerous people.

That also means that one needs to see the wolf in sheep's clothing.

And it also means to find a group that is a place that you can comfortably be yourself.

Times have changed. Our grandkids cannot safely walk a long way to school like we used to.

We are now told black is white and we must learn new words and new theories so we can hate people for no GOOD reason.

[tvbound]

The old lizard brain that says "scary big black man," has become more and more dominant in a lot of scared people. When all else is stripped away, it mostly boils down to this.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tvbound

The old lizard brain that says "scary big black man," has become more and more dominant in a lot of scared people. When all else is stripped away, it mostly boils down to this.

It is hard to not be bigoted. Even people who think they are not, group people together and see common features. Maybe being bigoted has a plus side?

My lizard brain part sees people trying to make me forget that some enemies will hurt me. The enemies are many hues and many sizes and some appear quite tame.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It is hard to not be bigoted. Even people who think they are not, group people together and see common features. Maybe being bigoted has a plus side?

My lizard brain part sees people trying to make me forget that some enemies will hurt me. The enemies are many hues and many sizes and some appear quite tame.

So very true, I know very few people that are not bigoted. We all have preconceived beliefs that we look for ways to justify or legitimize.

The problems come in when those beliefs result in harm to other people.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

So very true, I know very few people that are not bigoted. We all have preconceived beliefs that we look for ways to justify or legitimize.

The problems come in when those beliefs result in harm to other people.

Most of the people I know are NOT bigoted. I do not care to associate with those who are bigoted.