[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

Yeah. Lot of that goin' on. Even in those fancy big cities on the East Coast. I saw it in movies. Yes. There it is. Right. Agree.

So WHAT?

I see your moonshine and raise you PCP. They rip off their clothes and bite people.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

She must be a lot of fun to work with.

[golfing eagles]

[eyc234]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

Missed the mark again with the facts. The moonshiners were not racing each other they were racing to outrun the people chasing them to arrest them for breaking the law.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by thomp679

You beat me to this topic, but I wanted to share a video that is representative of where we need to go as a nation. I think it is rather heartfelt. Its from the opening of today's NASCAR race which was rained out yesterday. Awesome solidarity by a sport that has deep southern roots.

YouTube

While thank goodness the noose wasn't aimed at Bubba, everything else in the article I posted to start the thread...sadly still applies.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While thank goodness the noose wasn't aimed at Bubba, everything else in the article I posted to start the thread...sadly still applies.

Fake but accurate? I've heard about that type of news before.

[thomp679]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

Your opinion is flawed. Racism doesn't prevent success, but it can make it extremely harder. Even a successful person of color still faces racism every day. There are many white people who do not face racism, yet do not achieve well in life. Trying to put on correlation between racism and success is incorrect.

[Bay Kid]

Well more fake news. BLM buddy Bubba's noose turns out to be another lie to get attention. What a joke. Does Bubba apologize? At this moment he is continuing his BLM hate on national tv.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Fake but accurate? I've heard about that type of news before.

While that's not true in this case, given the plethora of cases from particular entities where it IS true...I do believe you when you say you're familiar with the practice.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by thomp679

Your opinion is flawed. Racism doesn't prevent success, but it can make it extremely harder. Even a successful person of color still faces racism every day. There are many white people who do not face racism, yet do not achieve well in life. Trying to put on correlation between racism and success is incorrect.

Well stated...and oh-so-true.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

Wow, just wow!

[17362]

The greatest enemy of the people is the people trying to divide each other. This will be the countries downfall.
Respect one another.
Love one another.
Accept one another. -That’s the hardest one.

You can disagree with a persons view, but still respect, love and accept each person and as a whole. Carry this with you even on the smallest of actions. - that my moto.
(moto: A motivational speech or situation)
If more people did this.. wow could you imagine our world?!
But that takes a lot of learned “understanding” on each persons part.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by 17362

The greatest enemy of the people is the people trying to divide each other. This will be the countries downfall.
Respect one another.
Love one another.
Accept one another. -That’s the hardest one.

You can disagree with a persons view, but still respect, love and accept each person and as a whole. Carry this with you even on the smallest of actions. - that my moto.
(moto: A motivational speech or situation)
If more people did this.. wow could you imagine our world?!
But that takes a lot of learned “understanding” on each persons part.

Too many rats in the cage at this point in history. It's division sure but it's also just hate, frustration, hunger etc. Put too many of anything in a small area and they'll whittle their own numbers down.
I'm confident the chaos will become far worse and more frequent. I'm not forecasting the EOW but it's going to get plenty ugly in so many ways here very soon. You ain't seen nuthin yet as they say.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While that's not true in this case, given the plethora of cases from particular entities where it IS true...I do believe you when you say you're familiar with the practice.

It's not true in this case? tee hee

Here is excerpt from the link in OP

Sunday night marked a tipping point for NASCAR. Sunday night, the series disclosed that someone had left a noose — the symbol of this nation’s original sin, the undeniable message of intimidation, a sign so cruel and cutting it defies imagination — in the garage stall of Bubba Wallace, the Cup series’ lone Black driver.

Nobody left a noose, the rope pulldowns with loop knots have been there at least since 2017.

It seemed a relic from an earlier era, a time of black-and-white Civil Rights photographs, where casual racism was as evident as the cruelty on the faces of people who would grow up to be the grandparents of some of today’s NASCAR fans.

There was no "relic" just a simple loop knot which most of the garages at Talladega have.

And, for a NASCAR garage, it seemed all too believable. There’s your tipping point right there. Whether this was done as intimidation, or prank gone wrong, or any of a dozen other reasons ranging from stupidity to conspiracy, it seemed absolutely logical that someone associated with NASCAR would stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act possible short of actual violence.

Sorry, no tipping point, FBI concluded it was not racist intimidation. Somebody from Nascar did stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act. His name is Bubba Wallace. He is still claiming this is a racist hate crime.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

SNIP...>Somebody from Nascar did stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act.

His name is Bubba Wallace.

He is still claiming this is a racist hate crime.

Puhleeze just stop obfuscating, spreading lies and implying that HE thinks...it was directed at him.

Because he's not.

Here's what he actually said...and he is absolutely correct.

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“I’ve never seen anything like it,” Wallace said. “Whether it was tied in 2019 or not, whenever, it was a noose.

It wasn’t directed at me, but somebody tied it.”

Wallace said he is angry with people who are claiming the noose claim was a hoax.

1. It WAS a "noose" (found and reported by someone else)...not just a run-of-the-mill "loop."

2. Nooses have historically been used to try and intimidate black people, due to their association with the horrible and disgusting history of lynching blacks (where bringing the kids and picnic lunch was often done), sometimes for the simple 'allegation'... of just looking at a white woman.

Nooses are still left/found all over this country in public places...for the sole purpose to try and intimidate blacks.

How come you, and so many others, are not outraged...or disgusted with THAT?

No answer expected or needed...of course.

Nooses used to intimidate blacks

From Segregation To Today: How The Noose Is Used To Intimidate African Americans

If you're really interested in "HATE," start looking in the right place...which isn't from the noose incident.

It's mostly coming from the white people who are livid that the confederate flag has been banned at NASCAR events and that Bubba's Richard Petty car DARES to have a...BLACK LIVES MATTER wrap on it.

Maybe what NASCAR really needs to start doing with their fans, and others...is to start handing out mirrors?