[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

did you care about getting the Flu? a cold? they are both coronas.... .

What? Seriously!

Did you know that you can die from breathing oxygen?

You can.

Oxygen is a deadly poison.

Why are you breathing it?

Drawing common-sense conclusions about things you do not understand is not just futile it is dangerous.

And yes, Oxygen is toxic, and if you breathe pure oxygen it can kill you.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Are you suggesting that vaccines have to be 100% effective or there is no use in getting them?

I said in my post, you apparently ignored, that there are preventable causes of death.
That is sad, and I am in favor of government funding of research into how to prevent preventable deaths.

That on the other hand has NOTHING to do with COVID. Your choice to not be vaccinated puts my health/life at risk. That takes the decisions OUT of your hands and puts them into the governments' hands as a matter of public safety.

I am not obsessively worried about being sneezed on and dying, I acknowledge it is possible with the DELTA variant. Do you drive through neighborhoods are 120 mph? Why not, are you afraid of dying?

Being concerned, aware, and taking reasonable precautions is not the same as being "afraid" or in a panic - as so many insult me by saying.

I never suggested that vaccines need to be 100% effective, but you’re the one who has been vaccinated and apparently doesn’t believe in it effectiveness...
Otherwise how am I putting your life at risk…
I have chosen not to get a vaccine with a new and unproven track record. I’m not suggesting people not get the vaccine, but you and others are demanding that I must get it. But not for my benefit, but to protect you…

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I never suggested that vaccines need to be 100% effective, but you’re the one who has been vaccinated and apparently doesn’t believe in it effectiveness...
Otherwise how am I putting your life at risk…
I have chosen not to get a vaccine with a new and unproven track record. I’m not suggesting people not get the vaccine, but you and others are demanding that I must get it. But not for my benefit, but to protect you…

You are purring my life at risk because the vaccine is NOT 100% effective, as you just said.

And even more importantly, those who are not vaccinated contribute to the mutations by allowing the virus to spread. The next variant (Lamda?) maybe well ignore the vaccination.

If everyone (enough) were vaccinated the virus would be controlled and unable to mutate.

Wearing a mask, getting vaccinated, and other measures all contribute to containing and stopping the virus. Those who don't participate are making it worse and leading to more preventable deaths than are necessary. Some of those dying are vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I never suggested that vaccines need to be 100% effective, but you’re the one who has been vaccinated and apparently doesn’t believe in it effectiveness...
Otherwise how am I putting your life at risk…
I have chosen not to get a vaccine with a new and unproven track record. I’m not suggesting people not get the vaccine, but you and others are demanding that I must get it. But not for my benefit, but to protect you…

Actually, the need for everyone who CAN be vaccinated is to protect those who CANNOT be vaccinated. Vaccinated folks have protection but those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons are at our mercy as a population to protect them. Herd immunity is what will protect those who CANNOT be vaccinated or are not eligible at this time to be vaccinated (children). We have been asked to protect our children. How can anyone say "no" to that?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I never suggested that vaccines need to be 100% effective, but you’re the one who has been vaccinated and apparently doesn’t believe in it effectiveness...
Otherwise how am I putting your life at risk…
I have chosen not to get a vaccine with a new and unproven track record. I’m not suggesting people not get the vaccine, but you and others are demanding that I must get it. But not for my benefit, but to protect you…

You would not be protecting me, I've been vaccinated and despite all the misinformation on this site, the breakthrough rate is EXTREMELY low (for now). Will that vaccine protect against all variants---I doubt it, but so far so good and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Meanwhile....... I'm happy to wear a mask to protect those that have a medical reason not to get vaccinated. I'm happy to wear a mask to protect children who are unvaccinated. And I'd happy to wear a mask to protect patients if I got drafted back into service. BUT..... I really don't want to wear a mask to protect those who CHOOSE to not get vaccinated because they are misinformed, or are making a political statement, or are simply more afraid of the vaccine than the disease. But that is what it is coming to, and I'm really not happy that the hundreds of millions that did the right thing and got vaccinated will now have to go back to wearing a mask, or possibly enduring another round of shut-downs and restrictions, because of those that THINK they know better than the experts and avoid vaccination. So, you see, your decision not to get vaccinated does affect the rest of us.

[Barkriver]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

This can't be good:

Nature: Wild U.S. deer found with coronavirus antibodies

Yeah, but they still have the transmissible equivalent of mad cow disease.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Barkriver

Yeah, but they still have the transmissible equivalent of mad cow disease.

Right. Don't hold your breath.

There are reports of deer , particularly in Missouri and Arkansas, that have CDW (Chronic Wasting Disease), which is a prion disease equivalent to BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) ---mad cow----in cattle and both Creutzfeldt-Jacob and Kuru in humans.
To date there have been exactly ZERO cases in humans.

The last time "mad cow" was transmitted to humans was in the 1960's in the UK, because a rancher chopped up unwanted "cow parts" and fed them to other cattle that then went to market. Out of tens of thousands of people exposed, only 200 came down with the disease---apparently you need a special kind of genetic make up to get it.

Kuru, on the other hand, is spread human to human by eating the brain of an infected human. This disease was confined to the highlands of New Guinea when cannibalism was still practiced (hopefully not any more)

Creutzfeldt-Jacob pops up sometimes after neurological tissue is disturbed, as in neurosurgery or even a root canal

So, if you are the least bit worried, just don't eat venison or elk. And get vaccinated since COVID is far bigger concern

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You would not be protecting me, I've been vaccinated and despite all the misinformation on this site, the breakthrough rate is EXTREMELY low (for now). Will that vaccine protect against all variants---I doubt it, but so far so good and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Meanwhile....... I'm happy to wear a mask to protect those that have a medical reason not to get vaccinated. I'm happy to wear a mask to protect children who are unvaccinated. And I'd happy to wear a mask to protect patients if I got drafted back into service. BUT..... I really don't want to wear a mask to protect those who CHOOSE to not get vaccinated because they are misinformed, or are making a political statement, or are simply more afraid of the vaccine than the disease. But that is what it is coming to, and I'm really not happy that the hundreds of millions that did the right thing and got vaccinated will now have to go back to wearing a mask, or possibly enduring another round of shut-downs and restrictions, because of those that THINK they know better than the experts and avoid vaccination. So, you see, your decision not to get vaccinated does affect the rest of us.

I did not request, nor do I expect you to wear a mask for me.
If you will provide me with a study of the mRNA vaccines showing their long term safety, I will be more than happy to read it. In the absence of that, I will choose not to be part of the largest vaccine trial in history.
And before you throw out “protecting the children” since the start of Covid, just over 400 children 0-18 have died from Covid. In that same timeframe more than 70,000 children 0-18 died from other causes…

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I did not request, nor do I expect you to wear a mask for me.
If you will provide me with a study of the mRNA vaccines showing their long term safety, I will be more than happy to read it. In the absence of that, I will choose not to be part of the largest vaccine trial in history.
And before you throw out “protecting the children” since the start of Covid, just over 400 children 0-18 have died from Covid. In that same timeframe more than 70,000 children 0-18 died from other causes…

Part 1: I agree. You, personally, have never asked me to wear a mask for you. HOWEVER, the powers that be are making me wear a mask BECAUSE of people like you

Part 2: Using that logic, did you participate in the massive vaccine trial called "polio vaccine"? Perhaps you participated in the large scale "trial" of Pertussis vaccine. How about tetanus, diphtheria, rubella, rubeola, mumps, smallpox?

100 years ago, 9 of the top 10 causes of death were infectious diseases. Now it is only 1---and guess what?---it is influenza and it occupies 9th place.

So, all I can say is I prefer to be vaccinated, even if you consider it a research project, because 100 years ago it was the human race as a giant petri dish instead.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

did you care about getting the Flu? a cold? they are both coronas.... no where does it state that if your get C19 you die.

We'll just stop the quote at the very beginning. If you create your opinion based on something so obviously fake that even a non-scientist in 4th grade knows this, then there's no point in even reading the rest of the post.

The flu is NOT a coronavirus. It is an influenza virus. That's why it's called the flu.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Part 1: I agree. You, personally, have never asked me to wear a mask for you. HOWEVER, the powers that be are making me wear a mask BECAUSE of people like you

Part 2: Using that logic, did you participate in the massive vaccine trial called "polio vaccine"? Perhaps you participated in the large scale "trial" of Pertussis vaccine. How about tetanus, diphtheria, rubella, rubeola, mumps, smallpox?

100 years ago, 9 of the top 10 causes of death were infectious diseases. Now it is only 1---and guess what?---it is influenza and it occupies 9th place.

So, all I can say is I prefer to be vaccinated, even if you consider it a research project, because 100 years ago it was the human race as a giant petri dish instead.

Those are all “traditional” vaccines. This is a new delivery system. There have been no long term mRNA studies.

I stand by my statement that this is the largest vaccine trial in history. Initially we were told that those who were vaccinated couldn’t be infected with Covid and couldn’t spread Covid. They didn’t know if it would be effective against mutations. They didn’t know if boosters would be required. And they still don’t know if there will be any long term side effects.

That said, if I was in the high risk group, I would be vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those are all “traditional” vaccines. This is a new delivery system. There have been no long term mRNA studies.

I stand by my statement that this is the largest vaccine trial in history. Initially we were told that those who were vaccinated couldn’t be infected with Covid and couldn’t spread Covid. They didn’t know if it would be effective against mutations. They didn’t know if boosters would be required. And they still don’t know if there will be any long term side effects.

That said, if I was in the high risk group, I would be vaccinated.

They were ALL new vaccines when they came out with no long term side effects known. This is no different

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

They were ALL new vaccines when they came out with no long term side effects known. This is no different

I guess time will tell. I truly hope there are none, but these are not just new vaccines, it is a new technology. One that has never had a long term study.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those are all “traditional” vaccines. This is a new delivery system. There have been no long term mRNA studies.

I stand by my statement that this is the largest vaccine trial in history. Initially we were told that those who were vaccinated couldn’t be infected with Covid and couldn’t spread Covid. They didn’t know if it would be effective against mutations. They didn’t know if boosters would be required. And they still don’t know if there will be any long term side effects.

That said, if I was in the high risk group, I would be vaccinated.

Too many news sources drawing conclusions rather than reporting the news. Don't know what you heard but I heard a vaccinated person was 20 times less likely to become sick with Covid. I never heard 100% or "couldn't catch Covid."

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Right. Don't hold your breath.

There are reports of deer , particularly in Missouri and Arkansas, that have CDW (Chronic Wasting Disease), which is a prion disease equivalent to BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) ---mad cow----in cattle and both Creutzfeldt-Jacob and Kuru in humans.
To date there have been exactly ZERO cases in humans.

The last time "mad cow" was transmitted to humans was in the 1960's in the UK, because a rancher chopped up unwanted "cow parts" and fed them to other cattle that then went to market. Out of tens of thousands of people exposed, only 200 came down with the disease---apparently you need a special kind of genetic make up to get it.

Kuru, on the other hand, is spread human to human by eating the brain of an infected human. This disease was confined to the highlands of New Guinea when cannibalism was still practiced (hopefully not any more)

Creutzfeldt-Jacob pops up sometimes after neurological tissue is disturbed, as in neurosurgery or even a root canal

So, if you are the least bit worried, just don't eat venison or elk. And get vaccinated since COVID is far bigger concern

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Thanks for that GE.

All kidding aside.......you are such a host of information on this site. I really appreciate your contributions.