[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I agree with what you say, the problem is who decides how much is too much, and who decides what is important? I threw this out as a data point, nothing more. I wanted to see what people thought were.

I actually respect several people that post here regularly. They bring up very valid alternative interpretations of things. That expands my awareness.

BTW, on the same idea, Lake Tahoe has been closed due to Plague being found in rodents. Should we ignore that also?

then to be fair you have to include comparative data such as - both of these charts from the CDC website. It is very unfortunate that the bonus for all media outlets is that fear sells. Rather it be sex (come on guys laugh!) That aside hopefully these 2 charts lend more of a "so what about the deer" not being mean to deer but in reality animals do get colds and flu.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Aces4

It’s time to mount a campaign, anything that moves should be vaccinated! (That includes equipment, you never know...)

Maybe we could give all the animals a $5,000. incentive.

as a consideration to that statement please keep in mind that currently over 70% of the cases in MA are vaccinated people, as well as there is no reliable proof that having the vaccine is anything different than not. This is all a lab experiment, there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years will develop something unexpected etc.

Typically all drives go though years of testing in various situations (including on humans) in lab controlled conditions - this is real life experimental testing.

I think we've all been alive long enough to know "too good to be true" usually has a cliff attached to it. There are better topics than C19, heck I don't remember this much posting over Flu type A when it was taking out people left and right..... not a peep.

[Marine1974]

Good post I learned something.
Unfortunately some people just don’t know how to be nice and post some ugly things . Just have to ignore them . I hope I don’t ever meet them .

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

as a consideration to that statement please keep in mind that currently over 70% of the cases in MA are vaccinated people, as well as there is no reliable proof that having the vaccine is anything different than not. This is all a lab experiment, there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years will develop something unexpected etc.

Typically all drives go though years of testing in various situations (including on humans) in lab controlled conditions - this is real life experimental testing.

I think we've all been alive long enough to know "too good to be true" usually has a cliff attached to it. There are better topics than C19, heck I don't remember this much posting over Flu type A when it was taking out people left and right..... not a peep.

Again and again and again.....

There is reliable proof all around that the vaccine is effective. Hospitals are filling around the country with unvaccinated individuals. The number of daily deaths has almost doubled and over 90% are unvaccinated individuals. What more proof can you ask for?

"there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years..." There are no guarantees in life. I could say there are no guarantees that unvaccinated exposure to the virus won't lead to long-term effects that appear in another eight months.

The virus is intended to kill us and has already taken 613,000 people. Do you really want to say, "well I'll take my chances that it fails?"

The vaccine is designed to keep us alive and has proven to be safe and effective for over 190 million in the US alone. Do you really want to say, "well I read something on facebook that I believe more than the scientists, the reporters, the hospitals, my friends, and my own eyes?"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

as a consideration to that statement please keep in mind that currently over 70% of the cases in MA are vaccinated people, as well as there is no reliable proof that having the vaccine is anything different than not. This is all a lab experiment, there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years will develop something unexpected etc.

Typically all drives go though years of testing in various situations (including on humans) in lab controlled conditions - this is real life experimental testing.

I think we've all been alive long enough to know "too good to be true" usually has a cliff attached to it. There are better topics than C19, heck I don't remember this much posting over Flu type A when it was taking out people left and right..... not a peep.

As a consideration to that statement, consider this: it is 100% WRONG Not even close.

A single, two week sampling in a single county with multiple large gatherings showed that 74% of the positive COVID tests (and "cases" if you consider a test=a case) were among the vaccinated. That was a blurb and then repeated by Walensky from the CDC. However, what percentage of the crowd was vaccinated? If it was 100% then 100% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. If it was 0%, then 0% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. So without knowing that percentage, the statement is meaningless and I'm surprised the CDC even mentioned it much less make a big deal out of it and change recommendations.
What is more important is that out of all the hospitalizations during that time, only 4 people were vaccinated. And on this mornings local news, out of 1060 hospitalized COVID patients in the Orlando Advent Health System, 96% were UNvaccinated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

then to be fair you have to include comparative data such as - both of these charts from the CDC website. It is very unfortunate that the bonus for all media outlets is that fear sells. Rather it be sex (come on guys laugh!) That aside hopefully these 2 charts lend more of a "so what about the deer" not being mean to deer but in reality animals do get colds and flu.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. You point out a comparison of two other causes of death, neither of which are contagious.

Would you feel the same if someone sneezed on your and a couple of days later you had a heart attack?

Minimalizing a half million deaths like this that are preventable is not acceptable to me. Heart attacks and other non-contagious causes of death are bad and most preventable to some degree, but you cannot kill me with a heart attack by simply sneezing on me. The treatment for heart attacks does not have to change because there is a breakout of a new variant of heart attacks in other countries.

It is like comparing crayons and cream soda.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Again and again and again.....

There is reliable proof all around that the vaccine is effective. Hospitals are filling around the country with unvaccinated individuals. The number of daily deaths has almost doubled and over 90% are unvaccinated individuals. What more proof can you ask for?

"there are no guarantees than those vaccinated in 3 years..." There are no guarantees in life. I could say there are no guarantees that unvaccinated exposure to the virus won't lead to long-term effects that appear in another eight months.

The virus is intended to kill us and has already taken 613,000 people. Do you really want to say, "well I'll take my chances that it fails?"

The vaccine is designed to keep us alive and has proven to be safe and effective for over 190 million in the US alone. Do you really want to say, "well I read something on facebook that I believe more than the scientists, the reporters, the hospitals, my friends, and my own eyes?"

I completely agree with your post, except I would prefer people stop using the US death count and start using the world death count of 4.25 million deaths. And even more important is the worldwide case count - since the more people that get COVID the more it mutates. This is a pandemic, it is not a local (to the US) outbreak.

We certainly need to focus on getting our own house in order, but we also need to be very aware that the spread of COVID around the world will also result in Americans dying.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. You point out a comparison of two other causes of death, neither of which are contagious.

Would you feel the same if someone sneezed on your and a couple of days later you had a heart attack?

Minimalizing a half million deaths like this that are preventable is not acceptable to me. Heart attacks and other non-contagious causes of death are bad and most preventable to some degree, but you cannot kill me with a heart attack by simply sneezing on me. The treatment for heart attacks does not have to change because there is a breakout of a new variant of heart attacks in other countries.

It is like comparing crayons and cream soda.

You are protected from the virus by the vaccine, so doesn’t that remove the “contagious” aspect, or are you beginning to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine? Are you worried that if someone sneezes on you, you will die?
As far as preventable deaths, 440,000 deaths every year are smoking related. 44,000 are from second hand smoke… For only one year has Covid outpaced smoking related deaths. Where is the outrage? Are those deaths “minimalized”?

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

This can't be good:

Nature: Wild U.S. deer found with coronavirus antibodies

wouldn't it be great if they found out that those pesky lovebugs also had the antibodies...at least then I'd feel confident that my windshield would be safe from the delta virus....well, maybe not until we'd been through the second lovebug season though

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The canine coronavirus is not the same as COVID-19.

yes, you are correct, & this is true, because it USED to be species specific, which mean you can't give it to animals, & they cannot give it to you. not sure about anything re: this new strain, however. is anybody's guess

[Buckeye Bleau]

Oh my gosh, so deer, dogs and cats can get immunity, how could that be since the CDC never gave them the vaccine!
It’s a miracle, oh wait those only happen with God and scientists don’t believe in God, we are doomed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

As a consideration to that statement, consider this: it is 100% WRONG Not even close.

A single, two week sampling in a single county with multiple large gatherings showed that 74% of the positive COVID tests (and "cases" if you consider a test=a case) were among the vaccinated. That was a blurb and then repeated by Walensky from the CDC. However, what percentage of the crowd was vaccinated? If it was 100% then 100% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. If it was 0%, then 0% of the "cases" would have been vaccinated. So without knowing that percentage, the statement is meaningless and I'm surprised the CDC even mentioned it much less make a big deal out of it and change recommendations.
What is more important is that out of all the hospitalizations during that time, only 4 people were vaccinated. And on this mornings local news, out of 1060 hospitalized COVID patients in the Orlando Advent Health System, 96% were UNvaccinated.

This pandemic, at this point in time, is clearly a pandemic of the un-vaccianted. There can be no disputing this information if those stats are, in fact, correct.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. You point out a comparison of two other causes of death, neither of which are contagious.

Would you feel the same if someone sneezed on your and a couple of days later you had a heart attack?

Minimalizing a half million deaths like this that are preventable is not acceptable to me. Heart attacks and other non-contagious causes of death are bad and most preventable to some degree, but you cannot kill me with a heart attack by simply sneezing on me. The treatment for heart attacks does not have to change because there is a breakout of a new variant of heart attacks in other countries.

It is like comparing crayons and cream soda.

did you care about getting the Flu? a cold? they are both coronas.... no where does it state that if your get C19 you die. you can't factually state that any of this was preventable - you can prevent disease - you can't stop a virus, but if you really think you can then go for it I'll wait..... but I'll be waiting a very very long time.

Let me put it in simpler terms.... you're scared to death of C19, you go get vaccinated , you came out and BAM run over by a semi..... think about it. If you don't get that one then I can't help that it's pretty clear as day.

The POINT of the response was that it really doesn't matter how many people died form C19. nobody cares about the other numbers, nobody used to care about the flu deaths either.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

You are protected from the virus by the vaccine, so doesn’t that remove the “contagious” aspect, or are you beginning to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine? Are you worried that if someone sneezes on you, you will die?
As far as preventable deaths, 440,000 deaths every year are smoking related. 44,000 are from second hand smoke… For only one year has Covid outpaced smoking related deaths. Where is the outrage? Are those deaths “minimalized”?

Are you suggesting that vaccines have to be 100% effective or there is no use in getting them?

I said in my post, you apparently ignored, that there are preventable causes of death.
That is sad, and I am in favor of government funding of research into how to prevent preventable deaths.

That on the other hand has NOTHING to do with COVID. Your choice to not be vaccinated puts my health/life at risk. That takes the decisions OUT of your hands and puts them into the governments' hands as a matter of public safety.

I am not obsessively worried about being sneezed on and dying, I acknowledge it is possible with the DELTA variant. Do you drive through neighborhoods are 120 mph? Why not, are you afraid of dying?

Being concerned, aware, and taking reasonable precautions is not the same as being "afraid" or in a panic - as so many insult me by saying.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

did you care about getting the Flu? a cold? they are both coronas.... no where does it state that if your get C19 you die. you can't factually state that any of this was preventable - you can prevent disease - you can't stop a virus, but if you really think you can then go for it I'll wait..... but I'll be waiting a very very long time.

Let me put it in simpler terms.... you're scared to death of C19, you go get vaccinated , you came out and BAM run over by a semi..... think about it. If you don't get that one then I can't help that it's pretty clear as day.

The POINT of the response was that it really doesn't matter how many people died form C19. nobody cares about the other numbers, nobody used to care about the flu deaths either.

I look both ways when I walk out. But, a truck could still run off the road and kill me - there are approximately 500 deaths in parking lots each year. I wonder what percentage of people that go into stores are killed each year - I expect more than 500?

So, you go into a grocery store, and bam someone sneezes and you die from COVID. We KNOW that happens. People are being admitted into hospitals every day and rapidly (exponentially) growing numbers. Because they were infected by someone else sneezing on them (or the equivalent) and the one being sneezed on was not vaccinated.

If you can't see a difference here. Then you are right no point in chatting.