[Villages Kahuna]

Never got by the first few responses. Wow!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Never got by the first few responses. Wow!

Easy to predict how this thread would go

[larbud]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Police training videos show that putting a knee on a person's neck is an acceptable restraining procedure. This was not the cause of death. George Floyd was 6 foot 3 and weighed 225 pounds. Chauvin was 5 foot 9 and weighed 145 pounds. Floyd was resisting arrest and was high on drugs. Put yourself in Chauvin's position. I hope he is found not guilty. My 2 cents.

I’ll add a million to that..

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

He applied so much pressure that Floyd was still able to lift his head and move around...

You act like the officer Who was surrounded by screaming people knew that Floy was dead.

In reality, he wasn't pronounced dead until much later...

But with your logic, it's the officer's fault any time a suspect is injured, regardless of the suspects actions...

I mean, it was the cop who initiated the interaction, right?

Chauvin was told at least once if not twice that Floyd had no pulse. With one knee on Floyd's neck and another on his back he was close enough to notice the man was no longer breathing.

No movement for several minutes, no signs of breathing, no pulse, and CPR in the ambulance... sure, the official determination of death did not occur until much later.

Surrounded? Don't think so. Screaming? Yeah, screaming that the man was dying or already dead.

Actually, it was a different cop who initiated the interaction, Chauvin came along later.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by joseppe

Doesn't matter. Only facts that matter are Floyd was Black and Chauvin was White.

Please explain....
I certainly don't agree that is the ONLY fact....that's the problem, there are many facts.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Chauvin was told at least once if not twice that Floyd had no pulse. With one knee on Floyd's neck and another on his back he was close enough to notice the man was no longer breathing.

No movement for several minutes, no signs of breathing, no pulse, and CPR in the ambulance... sure, the official determination of death did not occur until much later.

Surrounded? Don't think so. Screaming? Yeah, screaming that the man was dying or already dead.

Actually, it was a different cop who initiated the interaction, Chauvin came along later.

You seem to think the officer's full weight was on Floyd's neck. It wasn't. The fact that Floyd lifted his head several times during the encounter proves that point...

And yes, Chauvin was surrounded. How many times did they have to tell the crowd to "get back", to "get on the sidewalk"?

He was "told he had no pulse"?

I must have missed that part, was it before or after they called for the ambulance the first, then second time?

Have you ever tried to take someone's pulse during a medical emergency?

I have, multiple times. It's damn difficult to do. Many times what you're actually feeling is your own pulse instead of the patient's...

[npmcnmom]

If this officer was your son would you feel this way?

[JSR22]

Originally Posted by npmcnmom

If this officer was your son would you feel this way?

I would be ashamed if he was my son.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

You seem to think the officer's full weight was on Floyd's neck. It wasn't. The fact that Floyd lifted his head several times during the encounter proves that point...

And yes, Chauvin was surrounded. How many times did they have to tell the crowd to "get back", to "get on the sidewalk"?

He was "told he had no pulse"?

I must have missed that part, was it before or after they called for the ambulance the first, then second time?

Have you ever tried to take someone's pulse during a medical emergency?

I have, multiple times. It's damn difficult to do. Many times what you're actually feeling is your own pulse instead of the patient's...

I see that we are not going to agree on what our lying eyes are telling us. Watch the video, read the autopsy reports, and draw your conclusions but leave me out of it.

I started this with an open mind, hoping the evidence presented at trial would lead to a just verdict. Countering your version of the "facts" is driving me to convict Chauvin before the trial has ended and that's not the way our justice system should work.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I see that we are not going to agree on what our lying eyes are telling us. Watch the video, read the autopsy reports, and draw your conclusions but leave me out of it.

I started this with an open mind, hoping the evidence presented at trial would lead to a just verdict. Countering your version of the "facts" is driving me to convict Chauvin before the trial has ended and that's not the way our justice system should work.

Leave you out of it? You inserted yourself "into it" when you entered this thread... And no, you started with "Chauvin is guilty" and went from there.

Watch the video? Read the autopsy? I did all of that.

Me, otoh, I tend to look at things more clinically, without emotion. In medicine, if you treat someone emotionally, you're screwed...

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

According to the autopsy, his lungs were full of fluid, weighing 2-3 Xs normal...

He was already dying from the Fentanyl overdose...

I did read the science...

A few questions, bc you sound like you are in med field.
He was high in the store, lungs full of fluid, gets arrested/handcuffed and put into car. At that point of excitement wouldn't the not able to breath kick in? Then somehow he's out of the car( sorry, I don't know these details) must of been some scuffling going on...again agitating the breathing issue. He's then put to ground and we all know the results.
Had he stopped breathing in car,, no murder......or roughing up outside...no murder...but when they get this football player sized man down to ground,, he succumbs, stops breathing, and now we have a murder.
(I am no way in agreement with the extended time of the knee-throat thing)...but I do believe there are many variables here, that might not be able to be answered.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by npmcnmom

If this officer was your son would you feel this way?

If he was my son and all else the same, I would be ashamed of him. This was at least Manslaughter.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

A few questions, bc you sound like you are in med field.
He was high in the store, lungs full of fluid, gets arrested/handcuffed and put into car. At that point of excitement wouldn't the not able to breath kick in? Then somehow he's out of the car( sorry, I don't know these details) must of been some scuffling going on...again agitating the breathing issue. He's then put to ground and we all know the results.
Had he stopped breathing in car,, no murder......or roughing up outside...no murder...but when they get this football player sized man down to ground,, he succumbs, stops breathing, and now we have a murder.
(I am no way in agreement with the extended time of the knee-throat thing)...but I do believe there are many variables here, that might not be able to be answered.

You make some very good observations...

But he sure was able to breath when he was resisting arrest, screaming at the top of his lungs and was strong enough to prevent 4 officers from simply putting him in the back of a cruiser...

Unfortunately, most of the other stuff will never be able to be proved in court...

[baramu]

Your two cents is off the mark. This cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck for almost nine minutes. This is not police training. Floyd told Derek 28 times he couldn’t breathe. If this isn’t murder, I don’t know what is. What is the matter with you?

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Police training videos show that putting a knee on a person's neck is an acceptable restraining procedure. This was not the cause of death. George Floyd was 6 foot 3 and weighed 225 pounds. Chauvin was 5 foot 9 and weighed 145 pounds. Floyd was resisting arrest and was high on drugs. Put yourself in Chauvin's position. I hope he is found not guilty. My 2 cents.

Retiredguy123, I agree with you totally. But personally I think the court already knows what the verdict is going to be against Chauvin, GUILTY! If he acquitted they’ll be more protest & riots. You watch Chauvin will be GUILTY, just my opinion.