[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Tal. Blue on green is so unreadable!

Hence, my using "Bold" and "Enlarging the font", which for some, apparently means I'm "Yelling"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They are not bastions of freedom of thought. They train people in science, history, business, medicine, law, religion, etc. These also involve critical thinking.

You spelled "indoctrinate" wrong...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Debate is very much alive in our universities.

A simple Google Search proves just how wrong you are...

berkely cancelled speakers - Google Search

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Speech is not free. It has consequences and often very serious ones. What Does Free Speech Mean? | United States Courts

The First Amendment is about the government not being allowed to censor speech not about a private institution doing that. Even though there are problems when that institution gets public funds, etc.

My response was in regard to free thinking on college campuses, not the first amendment. But good job taking the quote out of context; there might be a career for you in the MSM.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They are not bastions of freedom of thought. They train people in science, history, business, medicine, law, religion, etc. These also involve critical thinking.

No, that's what they purport to do. What they actually do is indoctrinate young minds with ideology instead of critical thinking skills.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They are not bastions of freedom of thought. They train people in science, history, business, medicine, law, religion, etc. These also involve critical thinking.

The whole point of education is to gain knowledge, the only way to do that is never stop asking questions, the alternative is just learn accepted dogma, that requires no critical thinking at all , dogma allows no opposing viewpoints, is anti educational. It brings to mind the posters who tell you of their educational achievements lauding their intelligence and then without even trying to rebut a different viewpoint engage in shrill attacks on a person's character, blind to the fact they are demonstrating the exact opposite of intelligence, but you are right our educational institutions are no big on freedom of thought, much to their shame

[Pugchief]

Back to the original topic, here is a classic example of Google manipulating search results.

Scott Adams on Spasmodic Dysphonia

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Back to the original topic, here is a classic example of Google manipulating search results.

Scott Adams on Spasmodic Dysphonia

Three things to note:

1. The DuckDuckGo results are almost identical to the Google results

2. It is not a convincing argument that Google must be manipulating search results because it leads with medical advice from NIH, Johns Hopkins, the Cleveland Clinic, and Penn Medicine rather than the medical advice of Scott Adams.

3. "Classic example?" It looks like that post on X was made this morning.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

My response was in regard to free thinking on college campuses, not the first amendment. But good job taking the quote out of context; there might be a career for you in the MSM.

And how do you express "free thinking" except through written or spoken words!

Critical thinking is very much alive on our college campuses. And it comes from asking questions especially during class discussions.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

My response was in regard to free thinking on college campuses, not the first amendment. But good job taking the quote out of context; there might be a career for you in the MSM.

Good jobs available at the "Ministry Of Truth"

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Back to the original topic, here is a classic example of Google manipulating search results.

Scott Adams on Spasmodic Dysphonia

I put Spasmodic Dysphonial into Google and top of search was:

The goal of treatment is to reduce symptoms of the disorder. Injecting Botox directly into the affected muscles of the voice box is a common therapy that is successful. Speech therapy is also a key part of treatment. Some centers offer a surgery to cut one of the nerves of the vocal fold.

I would assume that nothing to do with selective searching by Google, more the fact that the most popular/beneficial treatment is the Botox injection offered by centers of excellence.

spasmodic dysphonia - Google Search

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

The whole point of education is to gain knowledge, the only way to do that is never stop asking questions, the alternative is just learn accepted dogma, that requires no critical thinking at all , dogma allows no opposing viewpoints, is anti educational. It brings to mind the posters who tell you of their educational achievements lauding their intelligence and then without even trying to rebut a different viewpoint engage in shrill attacks on a person's character, blind to the fact they are demonstrating the exact opposite of intelligence, but you are right our educational institutions are no big on freedom of thought, much to their shame

I am kinda new to this forum. Are shrill attacks really the opposite of intelligence? Or, merely frustration that a poster did not read the entire thread and just jumps in whenever the urge strikes? Or keeps repeating the same information when he/she was corrected several times pages ago. Or, an emphasis that "Hey! I'm pretty certain of my facts.I just might have a degree or similar expertise on the subject matter." Or, just plain boredom and posting whatever strikes their fancy. Or, EXTREMELY pro or against a subject. I think I even noticed some wanna be comedians whose only intent is to try to make you laugh, IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

I have seen a lot of that! I would not consider any of those types of posts unintelligent. Most of the time, I believe they are tongue and cheek, or frustrated EXTREMISTS and I get a good chuckle. If you met any of these people unknowingly in one of the squares, I am pretty certain they would be normal folks. You might strike up a conversation with one of them and walk away thinking. "That was interesting!" Even the extremists. In real life, they are probably not THAT EXTREME. Typing what you wish to say doesn't always translate accordingly. Note: I am not a psychologist nor do I portray one on TV.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And how do you express "free thinking" except through written or spoken words!

Critical thinking is very much alive on our college campuses. And it comes from asking questions especially during class discussions.

I do not understand how In the atmosphere of a college/university where a guest speaker in allowed to be shouted down if allowed to speak at all a student would not feel more than a little concerned if not intimidated. That voicing any like or similar opinions they would receive the same treatment. That they would be targeted, castigated. This in a situation where they live and work day to day and not just a visiting speaker.Please help me understand you logic and reasoning.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I do not understand how In the atmosphere of a college/university where a guest speaker in allowed to be shouted down if allowed to speak at all a student would not feel more than a little concerned if not intimidated. That voicing any like or similar opinions they would receive the same treatment. That they would be targeted, castigated. This in a situation where they live and work day to day and not just a visiting speaker.Please help me understand you logic and reasoning.

You have an anti gay rights speaker at a University. The students are going to use their FREE SPEECH to express their disapproval.

How Princeton Students Responded to an Anti-Gay Speaker on Campus | Teen Vogue

Pitt students petition university to cancel "transphobic" speaker events | LGBTQ | Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh City Paper

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You have an anti gay rights speaker at a University. The students are going to use their FREE SPEECH to express their disapproval.

How Princeton Students Responded to an Anti-Gay Speaker on Campus | Teen Vogue

Pitt students petition university to cancel "transphobic" speaker events | LGBTQ | Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh City Paper

Expressing their disapproval of the speaker's viewpoint is perfect; demanding that the speaker be canceled or shouting the speaker down is not.

Nice contrast in the approaches reported in those two articles (understanding that much may not have been reported). The Princeton article focuses on how the talk was allowed to occur unimpeded while the Pitt article focuses on attempts to cancel the speaker. I personally prefer the Princeton approach.

I found this statement in the Princeton article to be humorous:

On email listservs across Princeton’s campus, similar debates raged on. One email thread involving undergraduates grew over 25 messages long.

25 messages long? 25 messages on ToTV is a thread just getting started!