[Scott O]

COVID-19 has a survival rate of 99.99% for those under the age of 40. Even people over the age of 60 who aren’t residents of nursing homes have a survival rate of 98.29%, yet residents in many areas are now told, in great detail, how they can and cannot celebrate their holidays
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, loneliness had reached epidemic levels. In 2018, 54% of American adults over the age of 18 reported feeling lonely. By January 2020, it was 61% and now, nine months into the pandemic, we’ve reached 66%
Loneliness isn’t relegated to the elderly. In the 18 to 34 age group, 75% report feeling socially isolated, compared to 61% of those over 50. Among those aged 18 to 34, 19% say they’ve gone as long as two to three months without interacting with another person
10% of 35- to 49-year-olds, 9% of 18- to 34-year-olds and 7% of those over 50 say they’ve not interacted with anyone outside their household or workplace since the pandemic began
If safety requires us to indefinitely forfeit the most valuable parts of our lives, what exactly are we trying to save?


PLEASE THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT!! FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WRAPPED IN FEAR, THERE IS REALISTIC STATISTICS....LIFE WITHOUT HUMAN INTERACTION IS VERY DEPRESSING! SHUT THE TV OFF, LIVE YOR LIFE!

[billethkid]

It will be some time before the special interest groups in America back off the continual flow of fear.
That leaves most of us making decisions that are best for our household given what we are "allowed" to know.

[Bay Kid]

Dad is so depressed. This controlled fear is slowly killing him.

[Scott O]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Dad is so depressed. This controlled fear is slowly killing him.

I’m so sorry...I have personally dealt with some of this..with my elderly family terrified to go out no human interaction for months it’s just terrible what propaganda has done to some...I am thankful I have a dear 86-year-old friend who is more than happy to get out go to lunch, enjoy life and is doing wonderful!

[Bucco]

"Propaganda"...."controlled fear"....."special interest groups".....

Wow.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...96e_story.html

Tony Evers urges Wisconsin to stay home on day of record cases, deaths

Not sure what world you people live in, but your lack of compassion and understanding is more than alarming.

My wish is that none of you are personally touched by this, but perhaps that would increase your empathy.

It is as if we have just thrown up our hands and given up.....what you call "names", I call warnings from responsible people (our national message has disappeared)

May this virus never touch you or your family.

'Our hospitals are almost full' as virus spreads across St. Louis region | Coronavirus | stltoday.com

Some hospitals in crisis as US nears high for COVID-19 cases

[TSO/ISPF]

Originally Posted by Bucco

"Propaganda"...."controlled fear"....."special interest groups".....

Wow.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...96e_story.html

Tony Evers urges Wisconsin to stay home on day of record cases, deaths

Not sure what world you people live in, but your lack of compassion and understanding is more than alarming.

My wish is that none of you are personally touched by this, but perhaps that would increase your empathy.

It is as if we have just thrown up our hands and given up.....what you call "names", I call warnings from responsible people (our national message has disappeared)

May this virus never touch you or your family.

'Our hospitals are almost full' as virus spreads across St. Louis region | Coronavirus | stltoday.com

Some hospitals in crisis as US nears high for COVID-19 cases

Thank you for one of the most succinct responses I have seen on this thing. People claiming mainstream media and "fake news" really don't get it. You have to go looking for the "facts" on Fox or AON then your desperate for something. Pay attention, follow the guide lines and you don't have to shut yourself in. Help people who are terrified to understand that life is possible, just a little different right now. The end of this pandemic is in sight. Stay Safe and wear a mask to protect your neighbors when in confined spaces and indoors!

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Scott O

COVID-19 has a survival rate of 99.99% for those under the age of 40. Even people over the age of 60 who aren’t residents of nursing homes have a survival rate of 98.29%, yet residents in many areas are now told, in great detail, how they can and cannot celebrate their holidays
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, loneliness had reached epidemic levels. In 2018, 54% of American adults over the age of 18 reported feeling lonely. By January 2020, it was 61% and now, nine months into the pandemic, we’ve reached 66%
Loneliness isn’t relegated to the elderly. In the 18 to 34 age group, 75% report feeling socially isolated, compared to 61% of those over 50. Among those aged 18 to 34, 19% say they’ve gone as long as two to three months without interacting with another person
10% of 35- to 49-year-olds, 9% of 18- to 34-year-olds and 7% of those over 50 say they’ve not interacted with anyone outside their household or workplace since the pandemic began
If safety requires us to indefinitely forfeit the most valuable parts of our lives, what exactly are we trying to save?


PLEASE THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT!! FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WRAPPED IN FEAR, THERE IS REALISTIC STATISTICS....LIFE WITHOUT HUMAN INTERACTION IS VERY DEPRESSING! SHUT THE TV OFF, LIVE YOR LIFE!

Some researchers and doctors say that Mercola steers patients away from proven treatments and peddles pseudoscientific misinformation on topics such as flu shots and fluoridation. In their view, he is resurrecting old myths, such as the threat posed by mercury in dental fillings, and promoting new ones, such as the notion that microwave ovens emit harmful radiation. “The information he’s putting out to the public is extremely misleading and potentially very dangerous,” opines Dr. Stephen Barrett, who runs the medical watchdog site Quackwatch.org. “He exaggerates the risks and potential dangers of legitimate science-based medical care, and he promotes a lot of unsubstantiated ideas and sells [certain] products with claims that are misleading.”

Some of the articles on Mercola’s site, Barrett and others say, seem to be as much about selling the wide array of products offered there—from Melatonin Sleep Support Spray ($21.94 for three 0.85-ounce bottles) to Organic Sea Buckthorn Anti-Aging Serum ($22 for one ounce)—as about trying to inform. (Your tampon “may be a ticking time bomb,” he tells site visitors—but you can buy his “worry-free” organic cotton tampons for the discounted price of $7.99 for 16.) Steven Salzberg, a prominent biologist, professor, and researcher at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, calls Mercola “the 21st-century equivalent of a snake-oil salesman.”

[Bucco]

Live Covid-19 Updates: Global Cases and Deaths News Tracker - The New York Times

The head of the National team for this virus announced his vacation and since has cancelled, not because of the virus, but other pressing matters in our nations capital.

"The United States set a record for new coronavirus cases and blew past the record for hospitalizations on Wednesday as the pandemic continued to balloon unabated, and a long list of cities and states imposed new restrictions on public life."

[Bucco]

"If the United States continues to relax social distancing restrictions and mask-wearing requirements, as many as 500,000 more Americans could die of COVID-19 between now and the end of February, according to scientists at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington. That's on top of the roughly 240,000 COVID-19 deaths the country has absorbed alread"

A winter surge in COVID-19 cases seems inevitable. Can we stop it?

But is just more "propaganda" from "special interest groups" unless........

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Scott O

COVID-19 has a survival rate of 99.99% for those under the age of 40. Even people over the age of 60 who aren’t residents of nursing homes have a survival rate of 98.29%, yet residents in many areas are now told, in great detail, how they can and cannot celebrate their holidays
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, loneliness had reached epidemic levels. In 2018, 54% of American adults over the age of 18 reported feeling lonely. By January 2020, it was 61% and now, nine months into the pandemic, we’ve reached 66%
Loneliness isn’t relegated to the elderly. In the 18 to 34 age group, 75% report feeling socially isolated, compared to 61% of those over 50. Among those aged 18 to 34, 19% say they’ve gone as long as two to three months without interacting with another person
10% of 35- to 49-year-olds, 9% of 18- to 34-year-olds and 7% of those over 50 say they’ve not interacted with anyone outside their household or workplace since the pandemic began
If safety requires us to indefinitely forfeit the most valuable parts of our lives, what exactly are we trying to save?


PLEASE THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT!! FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WRAPPED IN FEAR, THERE IS REALISTIC STATISTICS....LIFE WITHOUT HUMAN INTERACTION IS VERY DEPRESSING! SHUT THE TV OFF, LIVE YOR LIFE!

Don't know who the doctor who wrote this is, but fear is certainly ruling the lives of many here. Some are afraid to go to the grocery store, or even go enjoy the music on the squares. Some even make really vial remarks on this forum about anyone who take reasonable precautions to protect their health, but enjoys their life going out for dinner, coffee and doughnuts, or drinks, they are trashed on here all the time. There are those who say "we haven't SEEN OUR OWN GRANDCHILD for nearly a year" ! Why ? The planes are flying again, cars are not stopped at the Florida line and made to turn back, and gasoline prices are relatively low right now. Now as of yesterday we get yet another 180 degree turn..... all of this fear that fueled the sale of Lysol and other brand wraps, people wiping down their door knobs, counters, etc. several times a day, constant hand washing (always a good idea but really pushed to the max by the CDC), and the myth that masks are to PROTECT OTHERS, all reversed yesterday. It's now wonder that people are angry, frightened into NOT seeing their own grand children when in all reality, they may not live to see tomorrow and not connected to the virus in any way. How very sad what has been done to the PSYCHE of this entire country, and especially what it has done to us in our "golden years". Not seeing family and enjoying a meal or event out, could effect us for all the years we have left. One poor woman was hoping for a vaccine because she had not even had the pleasure of the simple act of shopping in a grocery store for close to a year ! Not sure about that one, the stores (thankfully) are open. But, perhaps, there is some special circumstance like going through cancer treatments which would make it wise to stay in until immune system recovers.

But with few clubs meeting, doing my shopping at Publix is one of my simple pleasures these days (imagine that ladies, I who dreaded taking time out from golf and craft classes, now look forward to going to Publix, Walmart, and Winn Dixie....LOL ! In summary, God bless the doctor, M.D. or Ph.D. who gave the advice to seniors to LIVE.... while you are still ALIVE.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bucco

"If the United States continues to relax social distancing restrictions and mask-wearing requirements, as many as 500,000 more Americans could die of COVID-19 between now and the end of February, according to scientists at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington. That's on top of the roughly 240,000 COVID-19 deaths the country has absorbed alread"

A winter surge in COVID-19 cases seems inevitable. Can we stop it?

But is just more "propaganda" from "special interest groups" unless........

Have the IHME models been correct about anything?

With 108 days left until the end of February there would need to be over 4,900 deaths each and every day to achieve 500,000 additional deaths. We're currently at 1,500 deaths per day and every day that we are under 4,900 means that many more need to be added to the numbers in Jan and Feb.

If we maintain a CFR of about 2% this also means we'll need to see over 231,000 new cases per day, every day, from now through February. Currently the CFR is less than 2% and we have hit a high of only 145,000 cases.

Using the same numbers, in order to see 500,000 additional deaths we would need to see something like 25,000,000 cases in the next 3 1/2 months which is nearly seven times the average over the last 8 1/2 months.

Sure, all of this could happen and we will be in a world of hurt. But again, have the IHME models been correct about anything?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Scott O

COVID-19 has a survival rate of 99.99% for those under the age of 40. Even people over the age of 60 who aren’t residents of nursing homes have a survival rate of 98.29%, yet residents in many areas are now told, in great detail, how they can and cannot celebrate their holidays
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, loneliness had reached epidemic levels. In 2018, 54% of American adults over the age of 18 reported feeling lonely. By January 2020, it was 61% and now, nine months into the pandemic, we’ve reached 66%
Loneliness isn’t relegated to the elderly. In the 18 to 34 age group, 75% report feeling socially isolated, compared to 61% of those over 50. Among those aged 18 to 34, 19% say they’ve gone as long as two to three months without interacting with another person
10% of 35- to 49-year-olds, 9% of 18- to 34-year-olds and 7% of those over 50 say they’ve not interacted with anyone outside their household or workplace since the pandemic began
If safety requires us to indefinitely forfeit the most valuable parts of our lives, what exactly are we trying to save?


PLEASE THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT!! FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN WRAPPED IN FEAR, THERE IS REALISTIC STATISTICS....LIFE WITHOUT HUMAN INTERACTION IS VERY DEPRESSING! SHUT THE TV OFF, LIVE YOR LIFE!

As a person that came from a region of Europe under war as a child I can tell you that loneliness is a luxury we allow ourselves. Many, many people in the world pray that their biggest problem would be loneliness.

I understand that here in North America this can be a real problem. But so much of it is actually culturally induced and in ones’ head. Socialize, socialize etc as if we were pack animals. No, we are not, that is why some people become monks. I am not talking about the clinically depressed but the “bored” people who are looking for someone else to entertain them all the time. I feel strongly for them particularly when they are helpless and need people to do things for them. But not for the run of the mill healthy “bored” individual.

[Carla B]

Originally Posted by Velvet

As a person that came from a region of Europe under war as a child I can tell you that loneliness is a luxury we allow ourselves. Many, many people in the world pray that their biggest problem would be loneliness.

I understand that here in North America this can be a real problem. But so much of it is actually culturally induced and in ones’ head. Socialize, socialize etc as if we were pack animals. No, we are not, that is why some people become monks. I am not talking about the clinically depressed but the “bored” people who are looking for someone else to entertain them all the time. I feel strongly for them particularly when they are helpless and need people to do things for them. But not for the run of the mill healthy “bored” individual.

Very good points. Hard to be bored in this time with all the resources for knowledge we have. I do think, however, it is much harder for those who live alone to be cut off from face-to-face contact and not feel lonely.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In Japan and China, face-masks out in public are more common than bare faces. It is the cultural norm. Not because it's mandated (it isn't mandated) but because that is how they show perfect strangers who they've never met and never will meet again know they care about each others' place in humanity and civilization.

In the USA and in many other countries, no one gives a flying fart about people they've never met and will never meet again.

Also, "Dr." Mercola LOLOLOLOLOL

[graciegirl]

I am not a fan of Dr. Mercola.

I am a fan of Dr. Joseph Rizzi at The Villages Health.