[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Thousands of good christians kneel in church each week. Is that desecrating the church or their beliefs. No! It is considered a sign of respect. When knights of old knealt in front of the king, was that disrespect? No! It was a way to show homage and fealty to that institution before which they knealt. These players are respecting the flag and the country while still communicating that they repect these things despite the prejudice and unjust treatment they receive due to the color of their skin.

Just so I am clear on your post, Kap knealt to show is respect for the flag and the country, not to protest it? Does he know that was his intent? Or are we trying to say that an action taken in one context and for one intent and applying it to an action applied in a completely different context for a completely different intent so that it looks better...."lipstick on a pig"?

[Denvercane]

Originally Posted by daddymac1127

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

Quit apologizing for having an opinion. I would never kneel and disrespect the flag and this country. Stay in the locker room if you can't support America. Black athletes are privileged and out of touch with their "brothers". Sitting in your mansion complaining about your treatment loses something in the translation.

[Denvercane]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.

I'm sorry, what important issue did he stand up for. What has he done with his millions to help his black brothers. People choose their lifestyle. You can stay in the hood or work hard and get out. Suce is earned not given to you

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

."lipstick on a pig"?

Hey. Leave my girlfriend out of this.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Black (and white) athletes are not complaining about THEIR OWN positions, they are simply using the fact that they are high-publicity people...to stand up for and bring to light OTHER people's mistreatment/discrimination/inequality.

It still amazes me, how many white people can't grasp...this very simple concept.

Yes they are athletes, but they are paid to be entertainers and provide millions of Americans an external release from their daily lives. When players step across the line, they are no longer entertainers, and are trying to dictate to you how to live your daily life. Shut up and and catch the ball, and when they play the National Anthem stand at attention for a couple of minutes, is that asking too much?

When you're on your own time, do whatever you want, but when fans are paying $300 for a seat and $10 for beer to be entertained, you are on the clock.

[Alana33]

Kaepernick was bringing awareness to racial discrimination and injustices.
Same thing people have been and are protesting now with the public display of the needless deaths of yet another black man! The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?

How many of you would want to be treated the way black men, women and people of color are treated?
Let's hear it!

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Alana33

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?

I'm convinced I'm typing with invisible ink, lol. Here we go again. These are Kaepernick's own words as to why he wouldn't stand during the anthem:

Originally Posted by Colin Kaepernick

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color ,"

Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

Can we please drop this "it's not about the flag" stuff with him? He very clearly used the flag as his protest symbol. And I'm not talking about the flag as a piece of material with various colors, stars and stripes. I'm talking about what it represents. To him, it didn't live up to its claimed representation, and hence he chose not to honor it. But he absolutely made clear by his own words that he couldn't stand to show pride in the flag.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Alana33

Kaepernick was bringing awareness to racial discrimination and injustices.
Same thing people have been and are protesting now with the public display of the needless deaths of yet another black man! The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?

How many of you would want to be treated the way black men, women and people of color are treated?
Let's hear it!

Apples and oranges.....I worked for a Company run by Black men and women. They had several mantra's but the one that sticks with me, "you can take the man out of the Ghetto but rarely take the Ghetto out of the man" The other belief is that the community has an obligation to help the community, not show it's faults and then expect someone else to help and fix it. (Kneeling). Had a conversation with several of them last week on the subject and they abhor the violence and destruction but they understand those behind it are political and are the wealthiest of the Black community. What are they doing...they have established mentor programs for the those that are distressed and the youth, they do public speaking in their communites and church's, not to rile people up but to show how they can have an impact. Bringing attention so a situation is one thing, finding a positive way to improve is another.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Alana33

The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

Let's see it. We can then compare it to the lists of black on black murders, black on white murders, and police killed or injured in the last week.

[bluecenturian]

As a veteran I think it takes a bigger man to not disrespect the flag or country that has given them what they have today. Many Americans died protecting that flag, any kind of disrespect during the anthem is sh*ttung in their sacrifice. For a minute and 40 seconds show some respect.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by bluecenturian

As a veteran I think it takes a bigger man to not disrespect the flag or country that has given them what they have today. Many Americans died protecting that flag, any kind of disrespect during the anthem is sh*ttung in their sacrifice. For a minute and 40 seconds show some respect.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Can one also presume then, that you are also strongly against...using our flag for things like bikini's/other clothing, headbands, rifle slings, etc.?

And how about those who aren't trying to protest injustices, but stay in their easy chair and eat pretzels and drink beer...when the anthem plays on television?

Are those things OK?

Assuming you are consistent, don't you think those other folks that criticize taking a knee to protest injustices/inequality in our country, but have no problem with the other things I've mentioned...are being total hypocrites?

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Let's see it. We can then compare it to the lists of black on black murders, black on white murders, and police killed or injured in the last week.

That's a issue that if you talk about it "You're a racist". The reality is, black on black murder is a daily occurrence.

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

It still amazes me, how many white people can't grasp...this very simple concept.

Maybe this is why... - White on Black VS Black on White Incidents -

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

Maybe this is why... - White on Black VS Black on White Incidents -

Fake memes, goofy graphs and false PowerPoint pages 'supposedly' taken from real information from the "Bureau of Justice Statistics" site...has already been exposed.

This explains how certain groups try to pass on things from BJS, that look nothing like what BJS produces (there's a link, in this link, that takes you to their actual site).

ANYONE can make up...what you're trying to pass off.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Fakes






Here's the REAL site.

Now go find that meme you posted.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)


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[flgolfer]

There was no need to apologize

It's his opinion and mine.