[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Won’t argue any scientific with you, or anyone, but a few corrections in your post...

1. Dr Faucci was not . The person who made the announcement “ Actually, he was not even the advisor for the WH (that was Dr Brix at the time this announcement was made). This announcement was made on March 16, 2020, not by Faucci.

Fact is, a few days later, after we were told by the government (not Faucci) that this virus would dissipate by July or August of 2020, Faucci actually said that Americans should be staying home for “several weeks”.

Covid: A year later, Trump'''s '''15 days to slow the spread''' shows how little we knew

Fauci predicts Americans will likely need to stay home for at least several more weeks

Not a scientist, but I think the vaccine trials began in December of 2020, and that Pfizer worked with German money and scientific knowledge to get the vaccine going. I am sure that within WHO, there was sharing, however in May 2020, the US pulled out of WHO

I post this and if anything is in error, please correct. It just seems we have serious memory lapses and want to make Faucci the scapegoat always, even when he was not involved. He is not perfect to be sure, but misquoting and using partial truths is not fair.

Fauci was present at both events and reitierated the comments. And the "a few more weeks" comment he made came after that meeting.

Bottom line, He had no clue and neither did Dr. Scarf. Like the CDC they both played and continue to play catch up with reality.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Wrong or right, a lot of actions by the gov had a lot to do with the final outcome.
A question that still needs to be answered is: How did this get started?
We KNOW for a fact that OUR government granted/gave China Wu Han lab research money. How much did that have to do with the Covid virus? The Director of NIH stated in a recent interview that the money was not "meant" to be used to weaponize the virus. He said it WAS meant for research into Sars. So, how much does our gov. know that they are not telling us? I understand the need for secrets, but there seems to be an awful lot of effort going into shrugging off the origination explanation of where it started and how it got spread worldwide. What are they hiding?
On a different subject, we are spending trillions of dollars that we do not have on blatant, frivolous spending. Who are we borrowing the money from? Are we printing more money? Who dictates how much money we can print? What is the difference between printing money and borrowing money? I am not an expert in finance or economics so folks like me just want some simple answers in layman terms. How can we be concerned about billions of dollars spent and now welcome trillions to be spent. Because some small percentage is being given to us in the form of Covid relief? No one is worried about the great debt that we are building? Did no one learn anything from Greece's bankruptcy? There are many countries out there waiting to ponce on us like vultures on a wounded animal. Who's going to bail us out, China?
Covid is being used by the gov to waste an awful lot of money and no one is paying attention.

Another myth. Today debt to GDP is about the same as the last 60 years. Looking at the absolute number of the debt is MEANINGLESS!!!!!!

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Remember "just like the flu, and gone by April - magically".

Everyone made mistakes, everyone was learning as we went.

No argument there as that is what I stated. If your advisors give you faulty info then what do you expect?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Covid is and was a political "planned-demic". Never before has a disease or virus with a 99% survival rate had such extreme measures forced upon its citizens. The ultimate impact financially, emotionally, and socially will never be calculated with the effects on school children, people unable to schedule critical surgeries, attend funerals, weddings, graduations, be with their hispitalized spouses, etc. Pure, unadulterated, absolute insanity driven by unhinged fear.

To me, that is nonsense.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

If we already have natural immunity to the virus that the vaccine is meant to protect against, then why get a vaccine when we are already immune?

For the people who have been out there all along during this pandemic, keeping things running and making it possible for the more vulnerable to stay safe, I think it's only fair to let those workers decide for themselves whether or not to get the vaccine.

Over 1/2 A MILLION people died of CV. They did not have that immunity that you speak of.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Correct!

Nope.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Right. But if you've already had Covid and have recovered from it then you do have natural immunity to it. The workers who were out there all along have already been exposed countless times to the virus, they have likely had the virus already and recovered from it. Most people, thankfully, do not get that sick from it.

Over 1/2 MILLION US citizens DIED. That IS significant..... don't you think??????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

Yet the world's migrants all want to come here. They are not charging over the borders of Scandinavia. They must not be as smart as you.

The Scandanavians PROTECT their borders RIGOROUSLY. So do the Canadians. And REALLY everyone knows this. Do I HAVE to spell it out?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

A person who has already had the virus is not going to get any benefit, whatsoever, from getting the vaccine. Why should they feel compelled to expose themselves to possible adverse side effects if the vaccination will do them no good anyway?

That's JUST not true.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Over 1/2 MILLION US citizens DIED. That IS significant..... don't you think??????

The point is, that in order for the most vulnerable to stay safe, others had to risk getting Covid to keep our food supply going and our health system operational. Thankfully, Covid was not a big issue for most healthy people.

Those that went to work every day - whether they delivered your pizza to you or made sure that your prescriptions got filled or brought your groceries to you for curbside pick up - deserve our appreciation. Without them, things really would have gotten pretty dire for all of us.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's JUST not true.

Yes, it is true. And, FWIW, most of the people who are opting not to get the vaccine have some first hand experience with COVID. They are making an informed decision based on their own personal risk factors.

The vaccines have had enough documented, adverse side effects to question the wisdom of getting the vaccine if you've already had and recovered from the virus.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

The point is, that in order for the most vulnerable to stay safe, others had to risk getting Covid to keep our food supply going and our health system operational. Thankfully, Covid was not a big issue for most healthy people.

Those that went to work every day - whether they delivered your pizza to you or made sure that your prescriptions got filled or brought your groceries to you for curbside pick up - deserve our appreciation. Without them, things really would have gotten pretty dire for all of us.

I believe that Amazon Prime and Walmart can DELIVER just about anything. They did during the quarantine. The economy was slower, but it continued along. It was safer with less exposure to CV. Florida opened up too soon because of greed for profit over protecting its citizens. The 1st rule of government is NOT to protect the profits - it is to PROTECT the people. That is the point of government because individuals can NOT protect other individuals as well as a regional or federal government can! .......Government 101.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Yes, it is true. And, FWIW, most of the people who are opting not to get the vaccine have some first hand experience with COVID. They are making an informed decision based on their own personal risk factors.

The vaccines have had enough documented, adverse side effects to question the wisdom of getting the vaccine if you've already had and recovered from the virus.

OK, you have made your decision. I wish you well. Good luck.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I believe that Amazon Prime and Walmart can DELIVER just about anything. They did during the quarantine. The economy was slower, but it continued along. It was safer with less exposure to CV. Florida opened up too soon because of greed for profit over protecting its citizens. The 1st rule of government is NOT to protect the profits - it is to PROTECT the people. That is the point of government because individuals can NOT protect other individuals as well as a regional or federal government can! .......Government 101.

The delivery drivers, the people working in the warehouse/shipping and the workers loading up the trucks are around their fellow coworkers and they do sometimes have interactions with the public.

Florida was absolutely correct in their approach. They protected their most vulnerable citizens in the LTCs, first and foremost, and then they reopened businesses, government offices and got the kids back to their physical schools. Florida is the gold standard for how things should have been handled.

There are states that have had their kids out of school so long that they aren't even clear where some of their students are anymore. The kids have completely checked out of distance learning and are off doing...whatever....bored kids with nothing to do...do. It's quite the train wreck.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Please list the civilized countries we have "bailed out" recently.

Ever heard of Foreign Aid?
Ever heard of Military Aid? Also known as Security Aid.
Although, you may not feel that they are "civilized countries."