[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

First of course I'm using capitalism and as far as taxpayer dollars being used in to promote this is not something knew. A few years back there was a number of states that used taxpayer's dollars to build a tank that the army did not want because it was good for their constituents.

I've lived in The Village for 12 year and am not a golfer, so when I was told I needed a golf cart I went with whatever was suggested. A matter of fact it was sitting in my garage so long without use, I just paid out over $200 bucks to have the battery replaced, just to move in from one side of my garage to the other. I agree with you the hypocrisy of a government official using ICE is a problem, but there will come a point when they'll have to change. You predict EVs will not outnumber ICE cars for more than 20 years. I would not be surprised if arguments like this were probably made when horse supporters saw the first automobiles. It took longer than 20 years, but we have the blueprints and today we move much faster. With the improvements to EVs and dropping prices I would not be shocked to see a major change with in 10.

8% of new US automobiles are Electrical. About 20% of new European autos are electrical. And China is making many new E-vehicles and selling within China and to Australia, New Zealand, and others. So it looks like the US will have to be dragged "kicking and screaming" into the NEW automobile world.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A good post. I will REMEMBER that!

AOL kicked me off a few times for sending too many e-mails. These were usually CC to many people and organizations and also BCC (blind copies which only I and the receiver of these could see).

I do think we need to do more about global warming and the like but I still love my gas car and gas powered golf cart. I do not golf so there is that. The electric cars and the like are out of my budget.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

Nobody ever had beg the gooberment for gas stations in the horse-and-buggy days. If anybody actually wanted to pay more to wait 45 minutes to charge their lithium bomb for another 250 mile drive, there would be new Rockefellor creating a "Standard Electricity Company", to make sure you could give him your money.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Hydrogen is better for the environment, but with the investments made by all these companies and the cost to manufacture a hydrogen vehicle plus the inconvenience of people still having to go to a fueling station is a problem. Maybe solar I don't know but I can't believe it would be hydrogen powered. As I allude earlier it all has to do with the all mighty dollar.

Since water vapor (which makes up 2% of the atmosphere) is the source of Earth's greenhouse, not CO2 (0.04%), Lord help us if we ever start intentionally burning hydrogen instead of hydrocarbons.

In fact, burning gasoline produces 5 times as much water vapor as CO2 for the simple reason that their is five times as many hydrogen atoms in a molecule of gasoline as carbon.

If burning hydrocarbons is the source of our recent warm weather, it's because of the "hydro", not the "carbon"!

[JP]

My former governor. An embarrassment then, an embarrassment now. One of the many reasons I moved out of Michigan, a failing state.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I do not understand why people are so upset about $5.00 a gallon gasoline. If the price really bothers you, buy a Tesla. If they can not afford one, they shouldn't be driving. That being said, I understand how it feels to be running low on battery charge. One time I was teaching the Dalai Lama how to meditate when I got a call from someone. The cat was missing and so are the batteries. Yeah, for real. This is real no joke. Nap time.

"Gunga Galunga..."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I am really curious. Do all of you who are posting about climate change caused by fossil fuels drive electric golf carts? If not, why not?

Can you say "Hypocrisy"? I knew you could...

- Mr Rogers

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

Said the guy who doesn't own an EV...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Planet warming due to gas vehicle CO2 production IS the world's # 1 problem.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

8% of new US automobiles are Electrical. About 20% of new European autos are electrical. And China is making many new E-vehicles and selling within China and to Australia, New Zealand, and others. So it looks like the US will have to be dragged "kicking and screaming" into the NEW automobile world.

Incorrect...

"
What percentage of 2022 car sales are electric? During the different quarters of 2022, EV car sales saw a consistent improvement. The percentage of electric cars sold in the US is now 6%. A market share of 6% means, of all cars sold in 2022, 6% were electric vehicles of different segments."

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JP

My former governor. An embarrassment then, an embarrassment now. One of the many reasons I moved out of Michigan, a failing state.

She did good things for the State of Michigan. Jennifer Granholm - Wikipedia

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

First of course I'm using capitalism and as far as taxpayer dollars being used in to promote this is not something knew. A few years back there was a number of states that used taxpayer's dollars to build a tank that the army did not want because it was good for their constituents.

I don't think a state government using tax payer dollars to build a tank for National Guard(??) use is a good example of capitalism (or really an example at all). Capitalism is about free market. Government spending is never about free market.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

I've lived in The Village for 12 year and am not a golfer, so when I was told I needed a golf cart I went with whatever was suggested. A matter of fact it was sitting in my garage so long without use, I just paid out over $200 bucks to have the battery replaced, just to move in from one side of my garage to the other.

So you are saying you don't own an electric cart, and you own a gas car but never use it. If that is your point, than I agree that, in that case, you are living your principles. Even selling it would mean someone else would use it so keeping that gas cart from operating is the best you can do for your cause.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

I agree with you the hypocrisy of a government official using ICE is a problem, but there will come a point when they'll have to change. You predict EVs will not outnumber ICE cars for more than 20 years. I would not be surprised if arguments like this were probably made when horse supporters saw the first automobiles. It took longer than 20 years, but we have the blueprints and today we move much faster. With the improvements to EVs and dropping prices would not be shocked to see a major change with in 10.

So it sounds like you agree that when someone like me made a prediction about horse to automobile change being longer than 20 years, they were correct. I went out on a limb with my prediction (not that there are any repercussions for being wrong) but what do you consider a major change in 10 years? more than half of the vehicles are Evs?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

With that statement alone, it is apparent there is no need to pay any attention to the post.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Another question would be IF we lived in a community that valued HEALTHY clean air for older residents and stopping the record temperatures recorded here and worldwide this summer and preventing the rising costs of gasoline and the dependence on Saudi Arabian oil - would NOT the powers-that-be have REQUIRED ELECTRIC golf carts 5 years ago.

The answer would be NO for too many reasons to be listed.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Said the guy who doesn't own an EV...

As I said earlier in this thread but bears repeating, Do as I say not as I do.

Obviously he knows better than the rest of us how we should spend our money.