[Donegalkid]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

The single motor Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus weighs in at 3,582 lbs.
The other two dual-motor Model 3 trims, Long Range and Performance, both weigh in at 4,065 lbs.
Curb weight of a Toyota Camry is 3580 lbs.
I drive a M3LR and after 20,000 miles tire wear is normal. Plenty of tread for at least another 20k.
What a POC article. More lies about EVs. The truth is it’s the best car we have owned. We did not buy it due to climate change. We bought it because it is highly efficient torque beast that blows away antiquated inefficient ICE vehicles.

Hmmm …. someone with some real facts, real life examples; not tabloid headlines. Well done. The tabloid article included references to an interesting study, however. Using the logic being proposed in the article (heavier vehicles burn tires faster and emit more pollution) many believers should also enthusiastically now argue AGAINST Americans buying heavier tire burning pickups and SUVs, and now argue in favor of buying lighter, smaller, gas powered cars, and certainly they would now need to lobby strenuously against the incredible proliferation of 100,000 pound eighteen wheelers on our major roadways and now also argue for increased rail subsidies to modernize US rail freight lines. More rail transport of freight and less heavy vehicle tire burners and polluters (?). Maybe a whole new generation of environmentalists will spring forth from the tabloid readers. Wow.

[BrianL99]

Everyone seems to forget the reality of EV market. No one wants them. Anyone who did, already bought one.

Dealerships can't sell them. Manufacturers can't make money with them. If it wasn't for federal subsidies, Tesla would have folded years ago. Hertz is dumping 20,000 EV's. EV's are one of the biggest frauds ever foisted on the public.

... & along comes little ol' Toyota. The envy of every auto manufacturer in the world and tells us what anyone with a brain has known for 15 years.

If you want to replace ICE vehicles, hybrids are the only way to go. Not that Toyota knows much about cars, right?


Toyota says it would rather buy credits than ‘waste’ money on EVs | Electrek (Interview with the CEO of Toyota, for Automotive News, 3/1/24)

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Everyone seems to forget the reality of EV market. No one wants them. Anyone who did, already bought one.

Dealerships can't sell them. Manufacturers can't make money with them. If it wasn't for federal subsidies, Tesla would have folded years ago. Hertz is dumping 20,000 EV's. EV's are one of the biggest frauds ever foisted on the public.

... & along comes little ol' Toyota. The envy of every auto manufacturer in the world and tells us what anyone with a brain has known for 15 years.

If you want to replace ICE vehicles, hybrids are the only way to go. Not that Toyota knows much about cars, right?


Toyota says it would rather buy credits than ‘waste’ money on EVs | Electrek (Interview with the CEO of Toyota, for Automotive News, 3/1/24)

I actually agree with this. The mandates to go all EV at some point in the future will be disastrous. Our grids can’t even handle ‘normal’ consumption. Further, there will be graveyards for all these EV corpses lining our landscapes. I think a fair resolve is to own a EV/hybrid and have a gas fueled vehicle as a back up.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Well, here's my shocked face :-|. Wait, ya mean there's been an agenda being pushed all these years? Nooooo, I don't believe that.

Sorry, it's not a FoxNews link, you can't just dismiss it because you don't like the source (ostrich syndrome).

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, finds shock report | Daily Mail Online

Tabloid garbage nonsense made for the old dinosaurs that hate change & everything electric.

[bopat]

I wonder why we don't have more gasoline powered appliances and devices if they're so efficient and clean like gas powered cars and trucks.

I can think of a few:
Gasoline powered cell phone! Just fill 'er up, lasts for a week!
Gas powered flashlight! Never needs charging!

And so clean! Maybe a gasoline powered air filter! Or, hey, better yet, a gasoline powered washing machine! Dump your clothes in, they come out sparkly clean and meadow fresh!

How about a gasoline powered refrigerator! Nothing better than gasoline and a catalytic converter next to your food! Yum!

[Bealman]

I have three vehicles and each has it's purpose. F250 to pull things, a 68 Mustang for Sunday drives when it is finished being restored, and a Mache to have some sporty fun. We bought the Mache for fun and transportation, not to save the planet. Nothing man-made will save the planet. Just take care of the planet the way one sees fit. It was great in the day when we could debate things openly and without ridicule. And then, when we were done debating we could still be friends. Ah, for those days!

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by Slapnut

I've read where it uses as much emissions to mine the ingredients for the electric car as a vehicle that has 150,000 miles of road use. Not to forget that China is the country that has the resources and gets rich off of our government

You are incorrect on China, they have less resources than we do. We are just afraid of the political winds to open mines in our own country.
Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Everyone seems to forget the reality of EV market. No one wants them. Anyone who did, already bought one.

Nonsense. EV's have tripled in sales in 3 years. How many other things have tripled in sales in that timeframe?

Source:

U.S. electric vehicle sales soar into ‘24 - International Council on Clean Transportation.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Dealerships can't sell them.

Manufacturers can't make money with them.

Many EV companies like Tesla don't have dealerships. They have zero.

Telsa made $14.3 billion in profit in 2023.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Everyone seems to forget the reality of EV market. No one wants them. Anyone who did, already bought one.

Dealerships can't sell them. Manufacturers can't make money with them. If it wasn't for federal subsidies, Tesla would have folded years ago. Hertz is dumping 20,000 EV's. EV's are one of the biggest frauds ever foisted on the public.

... & along comes little ol' Toyota. The envy of every auto manufacturer in the world and tells us what anyone with a brain has known for 15 years.

If you want to replace ICE vehicles, hybrids are the only way to go. Not that Toyota knows much about cars, right?


Toyota says it would rather buy credits than ‘waste’ money on EVs | Electrek (Interview with the CEO of Toyota, for Automotive News, 3/1/24)

Oil industry isn't subsidized? Hmmm...EV's are not the only thing subsidized. Stop eating food, it is subsidized. Look around, there are lots of subsidized things around!

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Most people don’t know what makes a car run. There’s more bad things about EV’s than good. For instants, EV’s get No mileage on a charge, you won’t see charging stations along interstate or highways, all you’’ll see while you’re driving for a 1/2 hr. to an hr.is gas stations & if you do find a charging station you’ll be sitting there for at least an hr. or longer charging your EV if there’s no EV there being charged already, quick chargers just over heat your battery to possibly catch your EV on fire or over heat your battery to the point where in a couple of yrs. It’ll ruin your battery to the point you’ll have to spend 15 to over $20,000 to replace your battery, EV’s are expensive to buy, maintenance is expensive to maintain your EV, power outages are going to happen. So you better have a can of electricity or a generator that’s capable of charging your EV oh yea our president is going to get rid of gas stations. Oh I could go on & on. But the EV experts already have this already figured out. Not trying to be a know it all but I did work at a auto plant for 38 yrs. so I do & did hear about EV’s before most didn’t know what EV meant. EV’s have there purpose but not to drive 1,000 miles to see Billy or Susy!

Really on the 1,000 mile trip? Have done them in our Mache and loved every minute of it. Time to stop was about as long as it takes to get gas, take a leak, get a drink or snack and be on my way. There are plenty of charge stations. I can drive further than when my SO needs to use the facilities. Others can tell the experience one has by their use of the tools before them.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Unrelated.....but so sad to see iconic vehicles like the Ford Mustang go the EV route. I mean isn’t the whole enjoyment of a ‘stang’ is starting her up and hearing the 351 Cleveland?!
You turn on a current model and you hear....nothing.

I am not sad, I love my Mache. It will clean the 351 Cleveland away. I don't need sound to know something is fast(supposedly). The Mache is not taking away the Mustang moniker from the gas. It is being used to supplement the Mustang line up.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Most people don’t know what makes a car run. There’s more bad things about EV’s than good. For instants, EV’s get No mileage on a charge, you won’t see charging stations along interstate or highways, all you’’ll see while you’re driving for a 1/2 hr. to an hr.is gas stations & if you do find a charging station you’ll be sitting there for at least an hr. or longer charging your EV if there’s no EV there being charged already, quick chargers just over heat your battery to possibly catch your EV on fire or over heat your battery to the point where in a couple of yrs. It’ll ruin your battery to the point you’ll have to spend 15 to over $20,000 to replace your battery, EV’s are expensive to buy, maintenance is expensive to maintain your EV, power outages are going to happen. So you better have a can of electricity or a generator that’s capable of charging your EV oh yea our president is going to get rid of gas stations. Oh I could go on & on. But the EV experts already have this already figured out. Not trying to be a know it all but I did work at a auto plant for 38 yrs. so I do & did hear about EV’s before most didn’t know what EV meant. EV’s have there purpose but not to drive 1,000 miles to see Billy or Susy!

History of the electric car.
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You been around awhile, I see, Mr. osu.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Bealman

I am not sad, I love my Mache. It will clean the 351 Cleveland away. I don't need sound to know something is fast(supposedly). The Mache is not taking away the Mustang moniker from the gas. It is being used to supplement the Mustang line up.

The point is/was....I’m not advocating for eradication of the EV....my post was about balance. You actually agreed with my premise of having the ability to choose one over the other or own both. Not be force fed one by mandate. In fairness, nobody goes to a car show and lines up to check the battery under the hood of a Mache. There is nothing iconic about an EV and since you’re restoring a Mustang, you would understand the difference here.

[MorTech]

Pollute what exactly? FYI - Carbon Dioxide is the exact opposite of a pollutant.

Originally Posted by ffresh

Most folks, IMHO, either have NO clue about what you write, or, will conclude you are a tin foil hat-wearing "conspiracy theorist" because so many are clueless! I agree with everything you wrote except your statement "The haze over The Villages is air plane produced". These chemtrails are delivered into the atmosphere by airplanes but not produced by them. Great response and right on the money. The only thing I would add is that these heavy, toxic metals, i.e. chemtrails also eventually settle onto the soil and, most likely become systemic in many agricultural plants, so eat up and breathe in folks - your government is here to help

P..s. Bill Gates and Harvard are heavily involved in this nefarious activity (to benefit mankind, of course )

Fred

Watch a good heavy laiden day in The Villages.

They are already developing seeds that are aluminum soil and toxic soil resistent.

Cloned gene being used to develop aluminum tolerant crops, Kochian says at AAAS | Cornell Chronicle.

Thank you for not saying I am completely nuts. One day people will realize we breathe air and whoever owns the air controls the world. Gates will have controling food covered.

Research Dubai and weather control. They get it too. All I can say is look up.