[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

I completely agree. People are free to choose their own comfort level—and free to ignore the small-minded comments about their carefulness. We see fairly consistently what happens in areas in the US and around the world when they are opened up for reasons that seem to defy public health policy—and one doesn’t have to be Nostradamus to be aware of this.

I could never wrap my head around the thinking that the percentages are so small that the disease is inconsequential overall. Remember that these now 200,000+ deaths—whether directly from COVID-19 or from a complicating issue that they had learned to live with, perhaps for many years—these are individual lives and families struggling through a terrible tragedy....

An excellent and thoughtful post. Kudos! But also, I could add that besides the statistic of the plus 200,000 deaths, there are also large numbers of patients that LIVED, but went through very tortured days in the hospital. Some were then released, which was very good. But, some have not fully recovered for as long as 6 months. Some others have felt well for awhile only to have some other new physical problem arise. The bottom line is perhaps 300,000 people have already either DIED or had serious torture due to CV. AND what of all the children that are asymptomatic? Will they suddenly encounter problems when they get to middle age? Much is NOT known about CV.

My humble opinion is that the US has played Russian roulette with this disease by not mandating masks and not taking hundreds of steps that could have suppressed the Virus. And it is too LATE!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by PJackpot

Windguy: Did you ever consider the fact that these restaurants are going broke? You don't want to go....don't. They'll have plenty of business once the birds start coming back, and no I am not concerned about their concerns. And as an added incentive to stay away, I will be one of the faceless cozying up to the bar....a full bar.

Restaurants will be made to change systemically because of CV as will ALL aspects of society. Attitudes will be forced to change. Laws may force behavior to avoid spreading the disease to the innocent others. A post CV world of bars and restaurants may take years to recover to what we have now. Or it could stay different. There may be more CVs in the human near future.

[ismatta]

100% open with no masks means we will no longer be dining out. Not until COVID-19 is under much better control. If you think a return to 100% open is ok, you are ignorant and dangerous. If you want to endanger all of us, please go ahead and get your life over with quickly so things really can get back to normal.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I DON"T WANT to stay home. I want to dine in a restaurant INDOORS. I have felt safe enough in restaurants while being socially distanced from others. Just hubby and myself at the table as we have not invited anyone else into our "social circle". We are not going to do that until we are vaccinated from this virus.

I will not feel safe with others sitting so close to us. Others who I have no idea where they have been and who they have been in contact with; others who may be anti maskers; others who may be asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic carriers of this virus; others who think this pandemic is a hoax.

Our local restaurants have been getting support from hubby and myself as soon as they opened for indoor dining. Not so much now but I'm sure there are plenty of other folks who are happy to join the petri dish that will now be indoor dining.

Bad move, DeSantis!

Many folks felt the same way when AIDS was first discovered in the U.S. Some would not let their children go to school if another child was infected.

Some folks put on their big boy pants early in life and some wait until later in life, but life goes on.

I was told when I was very young that I was going to die because I rode a motorcycle. I still do, and I enjoy it. I do not fault others if they do not know what they are missing. I pity them, that they can criticize using only their opinion.
Like I have said before, if you don't like something then use your Constitutional right to free choice and walk away.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Worked in Germany.

I remember the good old days when watching black and white TV. I remember Beaver saying "but Johnny down the street is allowed to do it...." What's Germany have to do with us? Nothing is the correct answer.

[JoMar]

Was our society always this selfish? I remember a time (or maybe I made it up) when we cared for our neighbors, friends and family. There now seems to be an attitude the hell with others, open everything up because I think it's the right thing to do for me....even claiming constitutional rights are violated.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

One can only hope the vaccine and herd immunity will get it done.

Absolutely!

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We do not have the level of compliance to slow the spread of this virus. Too many people are anti-maskers. There are too many gatherings of too many people not wearing masks. We will never get a handle on this virus with the non compliance we have here in America. Sorry to say.

I am not an anti masker. I am more factual. Google the size of the virus and the weave of mask, the science is mask do no protect the person wearing the mask. As far a stopping the wearer of the mask from spreading it in vapor droplets, no one knows how much of the virus is attached to vapor droplets and just how much is stopped by a mask. Some of your vapor from breathing goes out around the nose, sides and bottom of the mask. Yes the mask does stop some of the virus in vapor, how much we don't know. In reality everyone fiddles with there mask, touches their masks and reuse their mask, so just maybe any good being done by stopping some of virus spread into your mask you most likely handled the mask over and over and putting you hands in contact with who knows what. Again I am not an anti masker.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ismatta

100% open with no masks means we will no longer be dining out. Not until COVID-19 is under much better control. If you think a return to 100% open is ok, you are ignorant and dangerous. If you want to endanger all of us, please go ahead and get your life over with quickly so things really can get back to normal.

Does 100% open with no restrictions mean NO MASKS??? I did not take the new guideline to mean no masks. Isn't that still up to the establishment to require masks?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Was our society always this selfish? I remember a time (or maybe I made it up) when we cared for our neighbors, friends and family. There now seems to be an attitude the hell with others, open everything up because I think it's the right thing to do for me....even claiming constitutional rights are violated.

Seems to me that being "selfish" in this case is those that demand that business be closed or fit their standards. I care for my neighbors so I tell them to stay home if they feel threatened. I think it is selfish to demand that people remain unemployed because someone feels that the threat of a spooky virus might-might-might be around and infect those that are perfectly fine with taking the chance. Maybe I have it wrong and the REAL reason that some want the businesses to go bankrupt-close and the economy to tank is really Politically based.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by Joanne19335

Do you wish to be buried here as well?

Off topic, but I learned no one gets buried here. Pack em and ship em I heard from a LSL bus tour.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

One can only hope the vaccine and herd immunity will get it done.

There's already been mutations of the virus and I'm afraid, just like the flu shot, the "Covid vaccine" will not be perfect. People are getting reinfected after having it once, so that's a big tell tale sign we may not get full control of this for quite a while.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Seems to me that being "selfish" in this case is those that demand that business be closed or fit their standards. I care for my neighbors so I tell them to stay home if they feel threatened. I think it is selfish to demand that people remain unemployed because someone feels that the threat of a spooky virus might-might-might be around and infect those that are perfectly fine with taking the chance. Maybe I have it wrong and the REAL reason that some want the businesses to go bankrupt-close and the economy to tank is really Politically based.

IMHO, you have it wrong. I have been a proponent of mask wearing to BOOST the economy. If more people wore masks and socially distanced PROPERLY, that will make the more vulnerable feel more safe to be out and about. More safe to go to restaurants and spend their money. More safe to live life and get this economy back to where it was pre-Covid.

I understand what you folks are saying that 50% capacity is not enough for a service establishment to make a profit. I get it. I just wish there were an easier and safer way to open these establishments at 100% occupancy.

[Irish Sissy]

I'm not either

[Joyce952]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Restaurants, bars and other businesses can open at 100% capacity. Not sure I'm on board for that at this point. Sad to say, hubby and I will not be dining in as much as we have in the past when occupancy was 50%. It is still too hot for us to dine outside. Not happy with this decision to go ahead with Phase 3 of Florida's re-opening plan.

I agree with you, hope this doesn't bring up more cases