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I have no knowledge of immunology or anything else to do with vaccines but, I have always thought these Covid tests are, as you said, overly sensitive and give way too many false positive results.

I've also been reading quite a bit about the fact that testing positive after being fully vaccinated does NOT mean the individual is infected with the virus. All it means is there is some virus that was picked up by the test but the body has not launched its immune response which will be forthcoming to knock out the virus.

GE......is that correct information?
Pretty much. They might have been tested before the immune system had a chance to confer full immunity. Or the test may be picking up viral fragments from previous exposure or even possibly the spike protein that the vaccine codes for.

This is why I wish the "media" would define a "case". Is this a sick person? Is this a person capable of transmitting the virus? Or is this just a "positive test", and just what does that mean?

And of course this also begs the question----why test any vaccinated individual at all???? If we believe the vaccine is extremely efficacious, there is no need. There is no need for masks or social distancing, but there is a tremendous need to get as many vaccinated as possible
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There is already plenty of disdain for the un-vaxxed. If it comes down to mask mandates for everyone (never here in Florida though), there will be many more confrontations and divisiveness in our country. We are not heading in a good direction with this.
Agree Unfortunately that only touches the tip of the main problem.....
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Yes and as I mentioned before...vaccinated still contract and spread the virus with no symptoms....along with..yes variants.

True. But.....the vaccinated are not getting sick and dying. The un-vaxxed are the people who are dying. So, I repeat. Why should the vaccinated have to mask up to protect those who do not want to protect themselves?
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The spike proteins are the culprit and not the actual virus so...what does the jab do again??? Oh wait!
After all that has been said and informed about these vaccines, you REALLY have to ask that question?
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Pretty much. They might have been tested before the immune system had a chance to confer full immunity. Or the test may be picking up viral fragments from previous exposure or even possibly the spike protein that the vaccine codes for.

This is why I wish the "media" would define a "case". Is this a sick person? Is this a person capable of transmitting the virus? Or is this just a "positive test", and just what does that mean?

And of course this also begs the question----why test any vaccinated individual at all???? If we believe the vaccine is extremely efficacious, there is no need. There is no need for masks or social distancing, but there is a tremendous need to get as many vaccinated as possible
Testing vaccinated people is due to the fact that the vaccine is only a bandaid and gives only partial short term immunity.
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Testing vaccinated people is due to the fact that the vaccine is only a bandaid and gives only partial short term immunity.
Really????

I believe others have called you out before.

Perhaps you would share your credentials to make these statements?
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After all that has been said and informed about these vaccines, you REALLY have to ask that question?
My point is.....spike proteins which the vax tells your body to manufacture by the trillions is a toxic poison....think about that for a minute.
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My point is.....spike proteins which the vax tells your body to manufacture by the trillions is a toxic poison....think about that for a minute.
Care to cite a reference that supports the assertion that the spike protein is "a poison"????? I'm afraid we all will have a very long wait.
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Pretty much. They might have been tested before the immune system had a chance to confer full immunity. Or the test may be picking up viral fragments from previous exposure or even possibly the spike protein that the vaccine codes for.

This is why I wish the "media" would define a "case". Is this a sick person? Is this a person capable of transmitting the virus? Or is this just a "positive test", and just what does that mean?

And of course this also begs the question----why test any vaccinated individual at all???? If we believe the vaccine is extremely efficacious, there is no need. There is no need for masks or social distancing, but there is a tremendous need to get as many vaccinated as possible
You bring to light valid questions. We need answers and soon. Thank you.
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Care to cite a reference that supports the assertion that the spike protein is "a poison"????? I'm afraid we all will have a very long wait.
Just one....many more...this has been common knowledge for a long time.


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Really????

I believe others have called you out before.

Perhaps you would share your credentials to make these statements?
Reality is no one knows how long the immunity will last since it does not go deep enough to T-cell immunity.
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I am not anti-vax at all....as long as it is safe and I know what is in it.
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Testing vaccinated people is due to the fact that the vaccine is only a bandaid and gives only partial short term immunity.
It has not been established yet just how short or long term these vaccines will protect us. Some reports say at least 6 months so far and other reports say we may never need a booster. That leaves somewhere in between but no one really knows as of yet.

You mention "partial immunity". The initial trial efficacy of these mRNA vaccines was pretty darn high and they remain pretty darn high in real life efficiency. Did you expect 100%? I didn't.
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I am not anti-vax at all....as long as it is safe and I know what is in it.
Also I am having trouble trusting the CDC these days along with FDA and AMA is out to lunch and has been for a while now. The WHO is off the rails.
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Testing vaccinated people is due to the fact that the vaccine is only a bandaid and gives only partial short term immunity.
Wow!?!
Would you mind sharing the sources/data/links/et al that back up such statements.
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