[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

*yawn* weird that no one gives a key reason....better, faster, accuracy and more testing...duh!

There are many reports of studies explaining why. They are just not being reported on a particular cable news outlet.

The reasons for the current surge starting are unvaccinated and DELTA variant.

The vast majority of new infections are unvaccinated.

Some who have been vaccinated are experiencing "breakthrough" infections.

Of the un-vaccinated that get the virus a percentage of them are dying - small, but about the same percentage that already killed 600,000 Americans.

Of the vaccinated that have gotten the virus - NONE have died.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I keep hearing lately that vaccinated people are being asked to mask up to protect the un-vaccinated. Are they serious? They cannot be serious!!! They expect me to mask up to protect someone who is not willing to protect themselves?

Sorry about those who are not able to get vaccinated because of medical issues but they will just have to protect themselves when out in public.

Again.....asking a vaccinated person to protect the un-vaxxed? NOT HARDLY, IMHO.

Yes and as I mentioned before...vaccinated still contract and spread the virus with no symptoms....along with..yes variants.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But it's even worse than that. By even considering the vaccinated "mask up" (idiotic term IMHO), they are essentially stating that they do not believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine. If they did, they would state that the vaccinated never need to wear a mask, never need to socially distance, and never need a COVID test. After all, the vaccine should prevent you from getting and transmitting the disease. Yes, yes, there is the CDC stated 0.007% (1 in 13,000) breakthrough rate, but that is miniscule.
And the every other day testing of the MLB teams and the Olympic athletes is ridiculous. Do we test our children for polio, diphtheria, measles, or rubella EVERY OTHER DAY after they get vaccinated? And if we did, what might we find? Do we test adults, even those that work in nursing homes, EVERY OTHER DAY for seasonal influenza after they've been vaccinated? NO, we just give the vaccine and pretty much forget about it
So therefore, I have absolutely no idea what "the powers that be" are thinking

And one more thing----John Rahm. Here is a pro golfer who tested positive about 3-4 months ago, was quarantined, then tested negative and returned to the tour. About 6 weeks ago he was exposed to a "case" of COVID (whether this means a sick person or just another "positive" test, who knows). He got the first dose of the vaccine, was tested every day at the following tournament, and then tested positive again, had to withdraw with a 6 shot lead (about a 2 million dollar loss). He subsequently got the second dose, and after quarantine tested negative. Now, he was tested prior to the Olympics, positive, and can't compete. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? Nothing in my knowledge of virology and epidemiology would suggest that this is even possible----a person who has had BOTH the disease AND fully vaccinated can get the disease again. This suggest there is either something very wrong with the test or with the vaccine. Since almost all the "new" cases are among the unvaccinated, I suspect the test is overly sensitive with a huge false positive rate.

The spike proteins are the culprit and not the actual virus so...what does the jab do again??? Oh wait!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

The spike proteins are the culprit and not the actual virus so...what does the jab do again??? Oh wait!

No idea what you are talking about, and I suspect neither do you.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The single most contributing factor is that almost all new cases are those not vaccinated. The hospitalization and deaths will follow those numbers.

Requiring those who are already protected/vaccinated to mask up and social distance again accomplishes what?
The number not vaccinated isn't going to change significantly.
The number not masking up is not likely to change either.

As long as the decision makers continue dance around of the reality of the un-vaccinated pandemic...it can only get worse.

What it accomplished is not allowing vaccinated people to unwittingly be carriers and spread it to the unvaccinated. Although the risk of this happening is not widespread, it is not zero either.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No idea what you are talking about, and I suspect neither do you.

[tuccillo]

That is simply not true.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Of the vaccinated that have gotten the virus - NONE have died.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Either it will "just disappear" next April. Or it will surge and mutate, in which case we may be heading into the next world wide depression as the government runs out of money and can't borrow anymore to keep the economy afloat.

Or IF we are really lucky and we are living in a real world and not a make believe world. Doctors will find effective vaccines as fast as the virus mutates. The government will take decisive steps and mandate vaccinations for everyone.

But, that is just my silly opinion. Since the pandemic is actually fake, like we have been told - it probably doesn't matter. We will see soon enough. And our grandkids will pay for our decisions.

Yes, grandkids are at risk of paying for our bad decisions today (anti-vaxxers). If they get CV they can have neurological problems. The US could have a generation with lower IQs and less creativity. Which could allow other countries to overtake the US in Science and Engineering. Let's hope that this does not happen!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But it's even worse than that. By even considering the vaccinated "mask up" (idiotic term IMHO), they are essentially stating that they do not believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine. If they did, they would state that the vaccinated never need to wear a mask, never need to socially distance, and never need a COVID test. After all, the vaccine should prevent you from getting and transmitting the disease. Yes, yes, there is the CDC stated 0.007% (1 in 13,000) breakthrough rate, but that is miniscule.
And the every other day testing of the MLB teams and the Olympic athletes is ridiculous. Do we test our children for polio, diphtheria, measles, or rubella EVERY OTHER DAY after they get vaccinated? And if we did, what might we find? Do we test adults, even those that work in nursing homes, EVERY OTHER DAY for seasonal influenza after they've been vaccinated? NO, we just give the vaccine and pretty much forget about it
So therefore, I have absolutely no idea what "the powers that be" are thinking

And one more thing----John Rahm. Here is a pro golfer who tested positive about 3-4 months ago, was quarantined, then tested negative and returned to the tour. About 6 weeks ago he was exposed to a "case" of COVID (whether this means a sick person or just another "positive" test, who knows). He got the first dose of the vaccine, was tested every day at the following tournament, and then tested positive again, had to withdraw with a 6 shot lead (about a 2 million dollar loss). He subsequently got the second dose, and after quarantine tested negative. Now, he was tested prior to the Olympics, positive, and can't compete. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? Nothing in my knowledge of virology and epidemiology would suggest that this is even possible----a person who has had BOTH the disease AND fully vaccinated can get the disease again. This suggest there is either something very wrong with the test or with the vaccine. Since almost all the "new" cases are among the unvaccinated, I suspect the test is overly sensitive with a huge false positive rate.

I couldn't have said it any better...

I opined, weeks ago, that something was f*cky with the tests...

[tuccillo]

I suspect there is a good possibility that the false positive rate of the tests is greater than the true positive rate of the virus in a random sample of people (asymptomatic people). Under those conditions, random testing has limited value.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I couldn't have said it any better...

I opined, weeks ago, that something was f*cky with the tests...

[DARFAP]

Get vaxed. Stop this nonsense of misleading news.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Either it will "just disappear" next April. Or it will surge and mutate, in which case we may be heading into the next world wide depression as the government runs out of money and can't borrow anymore to keep the economy afloat.

Or IF we are really lucky and we are living in a real world and not a make believe world. Doctors will find effective vaccines as fast as the virus mutates. The government will take decisive steps and mandate vaccinations for everyone.

But, that is just my silly opinion. Since the pandemic is actually fake, like we have been told - it probably doesn't matter. We will see soon enough. And our grandkids will pay for our decisions.

Working on get the post shut down I see with all pol——- B$.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But it's even worse than that. By even considering the vaccinated "mask up" (idiotic term IMHO), they are essentially stating that they do not believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine. If they did, they would state that the vaccinated never need to wear a mask, never need to socially distance, and never need a COVID test. After all, the vaccine should prevent you from getting and transmitting the disease. Yes, yes, there is the CDC stated 0.007% (1 in 13,000) breakthrough rate, but that is miniscule.
And the every other day testing of the MLB teams and the Olympic athletes is ridiculous. Do we test our children for polio, diphtheria, measles, or rubella EVERY OTHER DAY after they get vaccinated? And if we did, what might we find? Do we test adults, even those that work in nursing homes, EVERY OTHER DAY for seasonal influenza after they've been vaccinated? NO, we just give the vaccine and pretty much forget about it
So therefore, I have absolutely no idea what "the powers that be" are thinking

And one more thing----John Rahm. Here is a pro golfer who tested positive about 3-4 months ago, was quarantined, then tested negative and returned to the tour. About 6 weeks ago he was exposed to a "case" of COVID (whether this means a sick person or just another "positive" test, who knows). He got the first dose of the vaccine, was tested every day at the following tournament, and then tested positive again, had to withdraw with a 6 shot lead (about a 2 million dollar loss). He subsequently got the second dose, and after quarantine tested negative. Now, he was tested prior to the Olympics, positive, and can't compete. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? Nothing in my knowledge of virology and epidemiology would suggest that this is even possible----a person who has had BOTH the disease AND fully vaccinated can get the disease again. This suggest there is either something very wrong with the test or with the vaccine. Since almost all the "new" cases are among the unvaccinated, I suspect the test is overly sensitive with a huge false positive rate.

I have no knowledge of immunology or anything else to do with vaccines but, I have always thought these Covid tests are, as you said, overly sensitive and give way too many false positive results.

I've also been reading quite a bit about the fact that testing positive after being fully vaccinated does NOT mean the individual is infected with the virus. All it means is there is some virus that was picked up by the test but the body has not launched its immune response which will be forthcoming to knock out the virus.

GE......is that correct information?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

I really doubt those who chose not to get the vaccine care if you wear a mask or not. Seriously.

Then......they truly have no clue what is going on with this virus and the Delta variant. CLUELESS!!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

While I don't want to accuse them of thinking, one possibility is they are taking human (American) nature and reality into account.

I was recently in an area with a very large outdoor crowd. The stated policy there, as I believe it is most everywhere, is that unvaccinated people should be wearing masks. I don't have an accurate count but the number of masks I saw were in the dozens with about half being worn anywhere near correctly. Either the vaccination rate in that population was about 98% or the unvaccinated were ignoring the mask policy. My guess is the latter.

*IF* masking makes any difference at all and if you want the unvaccinated to wear masks then the only way to make that happen is to force everyone to wear a mask. Otherwise, experience shows that unvaccinated will take off their masks too.

I don't like it, I don't agree with it, I don't want to have to deal with it, but it might be what the powers that be are "thinking."

There is already plenty of disdain for the un-vaxxed. If it comes down to mask mandates for everyone (never here in Florida though), there will be many more confrontations and divisiveness in our country. We are not heading in a good direction with this.