[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

My point is.....spike proteins which the vax tells your body to manufacture by the trillions is a toxic poison....think about that for a minute.

Holy $h!t. I could be dead now. But.......I'm still here. LOL.

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

There are 64,600 illegal immigrants entering the country each month since January. The vast majority are unvaccinated. Does the government require these individuals to get the shot or be turned back and out of the country?

30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine yet get transported throughout the states to seed Covid.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by John41

30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine yet get transported throughout the states to seed Covid.

Stop with your conspiracy crap.............................says the "vaxers"...(baaaaa)

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

There are 64,600 illegal immigrants entering the country each month since January. The vast majority are unvaccinated. Does the government require these individuals to get the shot or be turned back and out of the country?

Originally Posted by John41

30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine yet get transported throughout the states to seed Covid.

So which is it? Is it that "the vast majority are unvaccinated" or is it that only "30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine?"

How are they able to "seed Covid" if they are first tested and quarantined before they "get transported throughout the states?"

Are the immigrants being transported to Florida? If not, how are they contributing to the topic of this thread?

Yeah I know, a lot of questions, but it's better to ask questions than claim knowledge while spreading misinformation.

[dtennent]

Originally Posted by drducat

Just one....many more...this has been common knowledge for a long time.


Research: COVID-19 and Inflammation | Cedars-Sinai

The article you referenced deals with patients who have contracted COVID 19, not people who were vaccinated. Can you provide a study that addresses people who have been vaccinated? Furthermore, the article is about computer simulations. While these are useful in designing experiments, they are not proof positive for the conclusion you have drawn.

As for my credentials, I have Ph.D. In chemistry and spent my career in R&D. I have worked with computer modelers to work through scenarios but always counted on the data from actual experiments to draw conclusions.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by dtennent

The article you referenced deals with patients who have contracted COVID 19, not people who were vaccinated. Can you provide a study that addresses people who have been vaccinated? Furthermore, the article is about computer simulations. While these are useful in designing experiments, they are not proof positive for the conclusion you have drawn.

As for my credentials, I have Ph.D. In chemistry and spent my career in R&D. I have worked with computer modelers to work through scenarios but always counted on the data from actual experiments to draw conclusions.

Someone knows this...What is the difference between the Spike Protein from the actual virus and from the vaccine...anyone?

[Swoop]

I find it interesting that the same people who are quick to point out the high number of positive tests in Florida, and blame it on those who haven’t been vaccinated are the same ones who claim the tests are to blame when the number of vaccinated positives far exceeds the CDC’s claims…
By the way, the seven day average Covid mortality rate in Florida is exactly the same as it was at the end of June…

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I find it interesting that the same people who are quick to point out the high number of positive tests in Florida, and blame it on those who haven’t been vaccinated are the same ones who claim the tests are to blame when the number of vaccinated positives far exceeds the CDC’s claims…
By the way, the seven day average Covid mortality rate in Florida is exactly the same as it was at the end of June…

Wouldn't care about the number of positive tests except that the number of hospitalizations is tracking. The hospitalization are primarily unvaccinated.

Don't remember the CDC making a claim about positive tests, only hospitalizations and deaths. I believe those numbers are still in line with expectations.

That the number of deaths has remained flat is a very good thing but it feels too soon to counting chickens.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Wouldn't care about the number of positive tests except that the number of hospitalizations is tracking. The hospitalization are primarily unvaccinated.

Don't remember the CDC making a claim about positive tests, only hospitalizations and deaths. I believe those numbers are still in line with expectations.

That the number of deaths has remained flat is a very good thing but it feels too soon to counting chickens.

The CDC stated a 0.007% (1 in 13,000) breakthrough rate.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The CDC stated a 0.007% (1 in 13,000) breakthrough rate.

1 in 13,000 what, positive tests? Or did they count 1 in 13,000 hospitalizations? I'll find that information tomorrow.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine yet get transported throughout the states to seed Covid.

That 30% number is not official and is an internal heresay.

"Arriving migrants who test positive are being directed to local hotels for isolation, as Abbott and Democratic President Joe Biden fight over who is responsible for helping them."


Asked whether the governor had numbers on migrants with COVID-19 who have entered the U.S., Abbott spokesman Renae Eze offered a statement Wednesday: “Because the Biden Administration has refused to step up and do their job, we may never know the true total of COVID-positive illegal immigrants and the impact on our state and our country.”

So, while you can say positively without a doubt that 30% are, the Governor of Texas doesn't know how many.

Let's see, do I go with the Gov or with a rumor?

Originally Posted by Bill14564

So which is it? Is it that "the vast majority are unvaccinated" or is it that only "30% of the illegal immigrants are refusing the vaccine?"

How are they able to "seed Covid" if they are first tested and quarantined before they "get transported throughout the states?"

Are the immigrants being transported to Florida? If not, how are they contributing to the topic of this thread?

Yeah I know, a lot of questions, but it's better to ask questions than claim knowledge while spreading misinformation.

1. Of those illegal immigrants OFFERED the vaccine at the checkpoints 30% refuse. Most illegals sneak by the checkpoints and most if caught are just herded into holding pens and cages until they are transported around the country to unannounced specific locations.

2. At those locations the illegals spread the Covid Delta variant which first, no coincidence, appeared in South America where the illegals come from.

3. The illegals are being transported to Florida although the exact locations are not known. DeSantis is warning the feds that the deaths are on their hands.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

1 in 13,000 what, positive tests? Or did they count 1 in 13,000 hospitalizations? I'll find that information tomorrow.

The 6,000 represents 0.007 percent of the 84 million who are fully inoculated.

BUT. It is 6,000 cases that were reported to the CDC. The head of the CDC said at the same time that it is expected that the number is underreported.

So, it is simply all they know from states reporting cases that have been positively identified.

Fewer than 6000 people have gotten covid-19

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

Just one....many more...this has been common knowledge for a long time.


Research: COVID-19 and Inflammation | Cedars-Sinai

WOW!!! A patient can develop inflammation after a viral infection. Shocking, thank you Captain Obvious. And a study by "computer model" to boot! So we now need a computer to predict that a COVID patient could develop a post-viral polyarticular polyarthropathy, just like any other virus.

So, just what does this have to with the vaccines, and how does this equate with "poison"

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by John41

1. Of those illegal immigrants OFFERED the vaccine 30% refuse. Most illegals sneak by the vaccination points and most if caught are just herded into holding pens and cages .until they are transported around the country to unannounced specific locations.

2. At those locations the illegals spread the Covid Delta variant which first, no coincidence, appeared in South America where the illegals come from.

3. The illegals are being transported to Florida although the exact locations are not known. DeSantis is warning the feds that the deaths are on their hands.

All three of these are not supported by fact-checking. The 30% number is an internal rumor and is not supported by data. There is no evidence that "illegals" are spreading the virus in any significant amount. The third is that the "illegals" are and have been relocated to holding facilities in all states. How many in Florida is not known. Could be 10, could be 10,000, could be 10 million. Those facilities are not in contact with the general public. Sort of non-voluntary isolation.