[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You don't think Reuters is a reliable source?

About Reuters Fact Check

Joking right? As is AP...no wonder!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

We will learn from the CDC briefing at 3 PM today.
It is expected that those who are vaccinated mask up....again.

It will be interesting to see what local restaurants and businesses do.

If it were my business I would have a sign like I have seen in several places this week in TV......if you have been vaccinated wearing a mask is optional for you.....if you have not been vaccinated we "request" you wear a mask.....

and that is the way it should be.....the emphasis just has to be on those who are vulnerable...those not vaccinated....the ones currently flooding the hospitals.....if after all the warnings and coaxing and prodding they still do not get vaccinated they are by default agreeing to live with the results.....more cases/more hospitalizations/more deaths.......

Those of us who are vaccinated can do little or nothing to change the minds of these people......

requiring the vaccinated to mask up is useless eyewash, side steps the real problem and is stupid.

Totally agree.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Everything there IS true, but OrangeBB was referring NOT to the Delta variant - rather to future POSSIBLE more deadly variants due to incubation in the currently UNvaccinated. The unknown is more frightening and more difficult to deal with than the known - in the case of what could follow the Delta is a variant that could defeat our current vaccines. Then, a whole NEW class of vaccines may or MAY NOT be needed to fight these NEW variants. It could be a long war of "catch-up" for the vaccine Scientists!

Look at the bright side, those scientists would learn so much and get so much smarter, all thanks to the anti-vaxers, at nothing more than a few "other people" dying.

(sarcasm)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Oh my goodness. You CANNOT really believe that! You have just lost every single bit of credibility you ever had with me. Actually, I have not seen one post you have written that I have taken any stock in. Buh bye.

I don't know, but I expect you are in the majority here.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

See Israel with 3rd booster coming in most vaxxed country in the world followed by Trudeau ordering what amounts to 10 boosters per year for 2022 and 2023. Now you have to wear a mask again. If this doesn't equal short term immunity then nothing does.

Israel seems to be considering boosters on a case by case basis and I can't find anything about Canada ordering 10 boosters per year. Do you have a source for your claims?

Neither the Israel news not the masks have anything to do with short term immunity so I guess nothing does.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

See Israel with 3rd booster coming in most vaxxed country in the world followed by Trudeau ordering what amounts to 10 boosters per year for 2022 and 2023. Now you have to wear a mask again. If this doesn't equal short term immunity then nothing does.

As much as many would like to say differently, we live in a global community now. Until the WORLD reaches herd immunity we are all in danger from new variants.

The plague in 1900 was spread around the world by a rat flea, A mutant variant somewhere else in the world could come here on a boat carrying rats. Or a mutant variant here could spread to the rest of the world. If you think our economy is hurting now, imagine if US products were BANNED for ports in all major countries because WE have a new variant that they have not a vaccine for.

All the "I am okay with my risk" individuals must not have any children or family that they care much about to not be willing to take a small risk (vaccination) to stop potentially very serious risks.

There have been 3 plague pandemics documented in history with the first two lasting for centuries - because back in the 10th century they did not understand how they were transmitted. Now we know, and yet, so many refuse to take steps known to work to stop it.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't know, but I expect you are in the majority here.

There is definitely a silent majority on here and it is not those posting.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm fine with other people taking risks for themselves. If you want to walk across the street without looking both ways, and get hit by a car and die, oh well. Sucks to be you. I just hope the driver that wasn't able to stop in time doesn't get a ticket. It's not their fault you chose to play russian roulette with a 180+ horsepower engine.

The thing about the virus though, is that you're not playing russian roulette against yourself. It's more like you're playing spin the bottle, with a loaded gun. If that gun ends up pointed at someone else, you get to live, and they get to die. I don't think anyone likes that game, when the gun is pointed at them.

So go ahead and choose not to vaccinate. If it results in you continuing to be healthy, AND no one else gets sick from any mutated virus that you might possibly pass to someone else, then awesome.

But if it turns out you were positive for a mutated virus, and CHOSE not to vaccinate, and infected someone who ends up dead as a result, I hope they come after you. And I hope you spend the rest of your miserable life wishing you had chosen otherwise.

Yup I'm talking about a 1:1,000,000,000 chance of "you" being that person. As for myself, I'm not willing to end up being that person. I wouldn't want to live with the guilt. So I vaccinated to MINIMIZE RISK.

[Villageswimmer]

All I’m hearing about is masks. Is SD still a thing?

I always thought it was believed to be more effective than masks.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, let's hope the "unlikely" expert is correct. If not, then from an epidemiological point of view, the vaccine would be useless. What good is a vaccine that allows the vaccinated to contract, and then spread the disease????? If it's only value is that the vaccinated are less likely to get seriously ill or die, that is actually counterproductive in the population as a whole since it allows people who would otherwise die to spread the disease. (but better for that individual)

Some small % of vaccinated people have a "breakout" situation where they are CARRIERS of CV without knowing it and they are asymptomatic. If testing were 100% available and 100% accurate we would know more about this situation, which will, hopefully, become more known in the future. Nevertheless, it does NOT invalidate the worth of vaccines at the macro, societywide level. It is more like a glitch in terms of overall public health. It means that the UNvaccinated have a slightly greater chance of getting CV because of these "breakthroughs". The UNvaccinated still have about the same HIGH chance of getting CV and the same chance of being an incubator environment for the VIRUS. Sports teams and the Olympics have more and better (I assume) testing than for most average people - so, they locate more "breakthroughs". These players spend more time closely together indoors than the average person. And they get more than average press. So, it could seem like "breakthroughs" are the rule and not the exception.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Some small % of vaccinated people have a "breakout" situation where they are CARRIERS of CV without knowing it and they are asymptomatic. If testing were 100% available and 100% accurate we would know more about this situation, which will, hopefully, become more known in the future. Nevertheless, it does NOT invalidate the worth of vaccines at the macro, societywide level. It is more like a glitch in terms of overall public health. It means that the UNvaccinated have a slightly greater chance of getting CV because of these "breakthroughs". The UNvaccinated still have about the same HIGH chance of getting CV and the same chance of being an incubator environment for the VIRUS. Sports teams and the Olympics have more and better (I assume) testing than for most average people - so, they locate more "breakthroughs". These players spend more time closely together indoors than the average person. And they get more than average press. So, it could seem like "breakthroughs" are the rule and not the exception.

The CDC is a little lost with Delta...Too early to tell anything about it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Villageswimmer

All I’m hearing about is masks. Is SD still a thing?

I always thought it was believed to be more effective than masks.

That is still recommended, but is not always possible, especially inside.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Israel seems to be considering boosters on a case by case basis and I can't find anything about Canada ordering 10 boosters per year. Do you have a source for your claims?

Neither the Israel news not the masks have anything to do with short term immunity so I guess nothing does.

Canada buys 65M Pfizer booster shots for protection against COVID-19 variants – Abbotsford News

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

Canada buys 65M Pfizer booster shots for protection against COVID-19 variants – Abbotsford News

35M for next year and 30M for 2023 with an option for an additional 30M in each of those years and 60M in 2024.

Canada has about 35M citizens.

So one booster shot per citizen for each of the next two years. An option for a second booster for each of the next two years, and an option for two booster shots in 2024.

Not 10 boosters per year for 2022 and 2023.

Doesn't seem like a statement about short-term immunity. Planning for a yearly booster seems more like a conservative approach given the lack of knowledge of how long immunity will last.

[ROCKMUP]

I took the time to read the whole thread, what a train wreck.

OMG, people are dying ! Save the children ! Yep, every single moment in far larger numbers than this. From abuse, alcohol, opiates, heart disease, failed organs, diabetes, obesity and on and on.
Are you this worried about those deaths because this thread didn't read like that at all. It reads like a bunch of virtue signaling to help you sleep at night.
How horribly sad.