[Swoop]

Originally Posted by ROCKMUP

I took the time to read the whole thread, what a train wreck.

OMG, people are dying ! Save the children ! Yep, every single moment in far larger numbers than this. From abuse, alcohol, opiates, heart disease, failed organs, diabetes, obesity and on and on.
Are you this worried about those deaths because this thread didn't read like that at all. It reads like a bunch of virtue signaling to help you sleep at night.
How horribly sad.

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A NYT article reported that vaccine accessibility among lower income households is a major factor in their not getting vaccinated. These workers do not have the time off flexibility that 9 to 5 white collar workers do. Additionally some vaccines must be administered in groups of 10 and if there aren’t that many signed up the appointments are cancelled. According to the NYT radical antivaxers are a very small minority. Also those not yet vaccinated are becoming targets of hate by those vaccinated.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by John41

A NYT article reported that vaccine accessibility among lower income households is a major factor in their not getting vaccinated. These workers do not have the time off flexibility that 9 to 5 white collar workers do. Additionally some vaccines must be administered in groups of 10 and if there aren’t that many signed up the appointments are cancelled. According to the NYT radical antivaxers are a very small minority. Also those not yet vaccinated are becoming targets of hate by those vaccinated.

I'd like to read that article, can you post a link?

Having read a number of articles giving reasons/explanations for vaccine hesitancy, I'm skeptical that this is anything but the latest excuse.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by John41

A NYT article reported that vaccine accessibility among lower income households is a major factor in their not getting vaccinated. These workers do not have the time off flexibility that 9 to 5 white collar workers do. Additionally some vaccines must be administered in groups of 10 and if there aren’t that many signed up the appointments are cancelled. According to the NYT radical antivaxers are a very small minority. Also those not yet vaccinated are becoming targets of hate by those vaccinated.

Sad to say but it is only going to get worse when everyone will be required to mask up indoors. I still do not buy the fact that vaccinated people can spread this virus at any rate that would prompt the need for them to mask up. What happened to the claim that the viral load in a vaccinated person is not enough to be contagious to others. Has this Delta variant changed all that? I'm so dismayed.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Sad to say but it is only going to get worse when everyone will be required to mask up indoors. I still do not buy the fact that vaccinated people can spread this virus at any rate that would prompt the need for them to mask up. What happened to the claim that the viral load in a vaccinated person is not enough to be contagious to others. Has this Delta variant changed all that? I'm so dismayed.

Perhaps you know more about this than the Director of the CDC?

Answers are in the Naughty antivaxxer refusenicks thread.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Perhaps you know more about this than the Director of the CDC?

Answers are in the Naughty antivaxxer refusenicks thread.

I did ask, "has this Delta variant changed all that?" I do not claim to know more than the Director of the CDC. Just very dismayed.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I did ask, "has this Delta variant changed all that?" I do not claim to know more than the Director of the CDC. Just very dismayed.

True, but you also said "I don't buy it"

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I did ask, "has this Delta variant changed all that?" I do not claim to know more than the Director of the CDC. Just very dismayed.

“The change in guidance was driven by the delta variant's higher transmissibility and new evidence from the CDC that in rare cases, fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.

"This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday in a news briefing.”

Experts back CDC change on masks as delta variant spreads

“The change was met with relief from experts who said masking up again is essential to combat the highly contagious delta variant.”

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I did ask, "has this Delta variant changed all that?" I do not claim to know more than the Director of the CDC. Just very dismayed.

Well, yes, the delta variant has changed the playing field.
However, the person who keeps posting that the vaccinated have HIGHER viral loads than the unvaccinated is plain wrong. The CDC termed the viral loads "indistinguishable" in each group. Not HIGHER. But regardless, that does not prove anything about transmissibility. And it certainly does not address transmissibility from one vaccinated person to another, which IMHO must be quite rare. And that's why making the vaccinated go back to masking is pretty much nonsense. As far as the CDC director goes, she is looking not just at the science, but the politics as well.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, yes, the delta variant has changed the playing field.
However, the person who keeps posting that the vaccinated have HIGHER viral loads than the unvaccinated is plain wrong. The CDC termed the viral loads "indistinguishable" in each group. Not HIGHER. But regardless, that does not prove anything about transmissibility. And it certainly does not address transmissibility from one vaccinated person to another, which IMHO must be quite rare. And that's why making the vaccinated go back to masking is pretty much nonsense. As far as the CDC director goes, she is looking not just at the science, but the politics as well.

You keep saying this but what political advantage does it give them to reverse course on mask guidance for the vaccinated?

In my other thread I admitted to the mistake of saying higher instead of "as high as" but it really doesn't matter if the vaccinated are spreaders of delta.

Why would CDC/administration reverse course on mask policy for the vaccinated? To
convince more to vaccinate?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

You keep saying this but what political advantage does it give them to reverse course on mask guidance for the vaccinated?

In my other thread I admitted to the mistake of saying higher instead of "as high as" but it really doesn't matter if the vaccinated are spreaders of delta.

Why would CDC/administration reverse course on mask policy for the vaccinated? To
convince more to vaccinate?

Best guess-----to make wearing a mask enforceable. Clearly, the unvaccinated are not following the recommendation to wear a mask, and can easily hide in a group that is 1/2 masked and 1/2 unmasked. Even at shows here in the Villages, where 7-800 are attending at the Savannah Center, only a dozen or so are masked. While we do have a pretty high percentage of vaccinated persons, I doubt it is 98% so even here the unvaccinated are going without masks. Which I suppose makes sense since anyone who doesn't want the vaccine is unlikely to voluntarily wear a mask if they can get away with it.

If they make a recommendation for all to mask, it makes the persons without a mask obvious. Of course that means that the vaccinated are being unnecessarily "punished" because of the actions of the anti-vaxxers.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by drducat

My opinion is...The vax is in trial...Some people are most likely receiving a placebo/saline is why vaccinated are getting infected so easily. Also why vaccinated are being asked to wear a mask.

I'm definitely adding that one, to my ever-expanding list of 'wackiest conspiracy theories ever.' Thanks!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

My opinion is...The vax is in trial...Some people are most likely receiving a placebo/saline is why vaccinated are getting infected so easily. Also why vaccinated are being asked to wear a mask.

Didn't i see that on an episode of "The Twilight Zone". Or was it "The Outer Limits". In either case that theory belongs on "Fantasy Island"

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Didn't i see that on an episode of "The Twilight Zone". Or was it "The Outer Limits". In either case that theory belongs on "Fantasy Island"

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

True, but you also said "I don't buy it"

Yes, I did and I still don't buy it. It's going to take a lot more to convince me that fully vaccinated people, especially with mNRA vaccines, have a high enough viral load of this Delta variant to make people ill.