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Looking for next wife 08-05-2021 06:32 AM
Best thing to do is lock yourself in a closet with a mask and face shield. You do that while I go out and play golf and enjoy my life. You can be hurt everyday just walking out the door. More room outside for me.


Wow, easily the most selfish and illogical thing I have ever heard of in my life referring to a pandemic. I am so sorry whatever happened to you in your past; or, better yet, what did not happen that made you think this way. With it's brevity, we can tell you really mean that.

JMintzer 08-05-2021 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1983891)
They should be allowed to take their chances, as long as they sign a waiver stating that IF they end up with COVID symptoms, they were not permitted entry to the hospital. They can self-isolate until the symptoms subside or until they're dead - their choice.
WOW! I hope you never get sick from something that was "possibly" preventable...

JMintzer 08-05-2021 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1983895)
The influx at the Texas border has had little to no impact on the number of people in Florida with COVID, because it has had little impact on the number of people in Florida, period.

Immigrants in from Mexico/Texas aren't being sent to Florida and told "be free!" and just cut loose at the airport. It just flat out isn't happening. It's fear-mongering, a CONTINUED attempt to blame Mexicans for all the ails of the USA, because the fear-mongerers don't want to admit that they could have done more right here in the states to reduce transmission, but chose not to.

Just like Europe blames the French, the USA blames the Mexicans or the Muslims, depending on the situation that week.
McAllen TX, has received 7,500 covid positive patients so far this year...

Many are being bussed to other States, as well, FL included...

Check out the "Whataburger story"...

South Texas Police Department Issues Public Health Announcement After COVID-Stricken Migrants Seen ‘Coughing, Sneezing’ At Whataburger – CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

asianthree 08-05-2021 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1983889)
Missouri
Sent inquiries to all 4 of my agencies, only bonus5 showed up. But they will blanket all facilities.
Small facility’s that really need help don’t have that kind of money. Plus not only do they pay the staff, the agency get a hefty cut.

Swoop 08-05-2021 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by villageuser (Post 1983830)
One doesn’t get the possible long term complications from the flu as they do with COVid - weakened heart and/or lung function, a host of other unbearable issues. You really want to take that kind of chance with your body?
Not true - look it up. Covid long haul symptoms makes for great fear mongering news. Long haul flu symptoms don’t…

jbrown132 08-05-2021 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverRose (Post 1983568)
Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed'''
Do you think that seventy percent of illegals coming over the border are being split between Florida and Texas might have something to do with that consider a significant number of those are testing positive for COVID. Is there a motive in that?

Luggage 08-05-2021 06:44 AM
I don't believe you have to let people die, we have plenty of laws that require school children to be vaccinated. I do believe you can and should protect people from their own stupidity

Larchap49 08-05-2021 06:49 AM
Covid
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1983680)
That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh
Why? because you know it's true and Covid is the flu, just another strain. Flip flopping, lying, spreading fear, it's just what our government is about these days. Anything is fair game to gain and keep the POWER, face it. It's very sad but very true.

jberardi 08-05-2021 06:50 AM
Amen…

Larchap49 08-05-2021 06:56 AM
Cdc
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1983707)
More misinformation!

To really put it "in perspective" with the facts:

The hospital admission rate for COVID varies with age----2.5% ages 18-49, up to 17.2% age over 85, average 7.3%. Of those hospitalized, 15% died, could not get a breakdown by age, but WAY above 1%.

The hospitalization rate for seasonal influenza is 9.1/100,000 population or .0091%., and about 10% of Americans get the flu each year, so 0.091% vs. 7.3%
So your chances of ending up in the hospital with "the flu" is miniscule compared to COVID

I couldn't find an accurate number for the percentage of hospitalized flu cases that die, but we know the mortality rate year to year is about 0.1% of cases. The 15% deaths of 7.3% hospitalized COVID patients come to about 1%, or 10x as deadly as flu, which is in line with other known data

So bottom line, if that was hard to follow, is that you are MUCH MORE LIKELY to die of COVID than the flu.

PS: My numbers are all from the CDC especially MMWR. And yours?????
CDC, About as trustworthy as a door to door salesperson when he says trust me.

Gmaf6 08-05-2021 07:04 AM
True story....15 people in a bank branch became ill within a 10 day period. 8 were vaccinated, 7 not. At first, 6 tested positive for the flu and negative for CoVid, and 9 positive for CoVid. After a few more days of being ill, the 6 that tested positive for flu then tested positive for CoVid. No one was so ill to require hospitalization. The 16th person was sent for a test as she had a headache....2 tests later, she still tested negative. She was the only one who had CoVid originally, very sick, but recovered after a few months. The moral of the story - whether you get the shot or not, whether you get sick or not - it's a crap shoot. Your individual immune system plays a role....your co-morbidity plays a role. Bottom line - do what you feel is best for you and yours.

Larchap49 08-05-2021 07:04 AM
Aren't you the humanitarian

MDLNB 08-05-2021 07:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1983881)
No it was CHINA that gave it to them..stop the blame game…



AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?

Marty94 08-05-2021 07:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverRose (Post 1983568)
Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed'''
While the Orlando Sentinel reported that the “number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday,” it did not say they were all residents of Florida.

Please look at the charts provided by the State.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_pa...ata_latest.pdf

Each year, Florida gets millions of visitors. Visitflorida.org estimated that almost 80 million tourists came to Florida last year, and in past years visitors have exceeded 100 million. So, a reasonable assumption can be made that a percentage of hospitalizations are tourists.

Irishmen 08-05-2021 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1983945)
AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?
Find out who holds the patent to the virus and who holds the patent for the "cure" or jabs says all you need to know.

COLTempleton 08-05-2021 07:24 AM
First off, the CDC's credibility is just about zero right now. And to the person who doubts the COVID vaccine's effectiveness, yes it is much, much higher than the flu vaccine. COVID vaccine was made for the coronavirus; flu vaccines are based on the previous year's serotypes, which is sometimes hit or miss.
And as a retired aerosol research scientist, I say masks are minimally effective. GET THE VACCINE.

graciegirl 08-05-2021 07:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 1983926)
Why? because you know it's true and Covid is the flu, just another strain. Flip flopping, lying, spreading fear, it's just what our government is about these days. Anything is fair game to gain and keep the POWER, face it. It's very sad but very true.
Covid isn't just "the flu". Flip Flopping information occurs when more knowledge is available. The entire world, not just the U.S. learned during the last seventeen months. Far fewer are dying now, most older people here in The Villages are fully vaccinated and older people were most at risk of dying from it.

I think that it is still a very nasty virus and still quite dangerous to everyone. No one wants to be hospitalized or have their loved ones hospitalized. Get the vaccine please if you have not done so. That little ******* virus doesn't have a political view at all.

jfkilduff 08-05-2021 07:30 AM
Rainy season everyone runs for shelter congregates INSIDE. A little warm out lots of INDOOR activities unlike the northern states where folks are enjoying outdoor activities

Rose Ann Vinci Igoe 08-05-2021 07:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1983599)
If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.
I thought that too... BUT... I was just notified.... 4 vaccinated people from the same family just got exposed to COVID AND HAVE A BAD BAD CASE >. Enough to get IV INFUSIONs...vomiting, shakes, etc. Now get this... the whole family is vaccinated... but 4 out of 6 that gathered got it.. from one of the family members (who is vaccinated)... so I honestly don't see the Very Low Risk to the vaccinated... and the news is no longer saying low risk either... now for sure.. the unvax are great targets.. but don't be too confident if your vax... just saying pls... mask up and distance yourself still. The only good thing out of all this.. is more people are stepping up to be vaccinated and that's going to help every ones odds.

forebubba 08-05-2021 07:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1983891)
They should be allowed to take their chances, as long as they sign a waiver stating that IF they end up with COVID symptoms, they were not permitted entry to the hospital. They can self-isolate until the symptoms subside or until they're dead - their choice.
I agree!!!!!
Vaccination $0.00
Hospital $ thousands.
Who pays for your stay in ICU?
The bill is yet to come. Insurance companies do not lose money.

forebubba 08-05-2021 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1983886)
I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young, nor old, nor dead, I’m actually doing fine…people and their fear mongering…never ends
Lucky for you
Give us 6 numbers between 1 and 54

Vermilion Villager 08-05-2021 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmaf6 (Post 1983940)
True story....15 people in a bank branch became ill within a 10 day period. 8 were vaccinated, 7 not. At first, 6 tested positive for the flu and negative for CoVid, and 9 positive for CoVid. After a few more days of being ill, the 6 that tested positive for flu then tested positive for CoVid. No one was so ill to require hospitalization. The 16th person was sent for a test as she had a headache....2 tests later, she still tested negative. She was the only one who had CoVid originally, very sick, but recovered after a few months. The moral of the story - whether you get the shot or not, whether you get sick or not - it's a crap shoot. Your individual immune system plays a role....your co-morbidity plays a role. Bottom line - do what you feel is best for you and yours.
Hmmmmm...........did a Google search of the phrase "15 people in a bank branch". Guess what???? came up in several right wing web sites. CONGRATULATIONS!!!! you know how to cut and paste....:BigApplause:

forebubba 08-05-2021 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1983895)
The influx at the Texas border has had little to no impact on the number of people in Florida with COVID, because it has had little impact on the number of people in Florida, period.

Immigrants in from Mexico/Texas aren't being sent to Florida and told "be free!" and just cut loose at the airport. It just flat out isn't happening. It's fear-mongering, a CONTINUED attempt to blame Mexicans for all the ails of the USA, because the fear-mongerers don't want to admit that they could have done more right here in the states to reduce transmission, but chose not to.

Just like Europe blames the French, the USA blames the Mexicans or the Muslims, depending on the situation that week.
Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?

MrZero 08-05-2021 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1983606)
Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

― Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Ben. Just sayin' 😁

NoMoSno 08-05-2021 07:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1983985)
Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?
Why don't they continue on into Canada?

Lindsyburnsy 08-05-2021 07:51 AM
With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

talonip 08-05-2021 07:52 AM
No!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1983599)
If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.
There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

lkagele 08-05-2021 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1983945)
AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?
No but the US certainly funded some gain of research being done in China. That's why Fauci and Daszak have been lying about the virus from day one. It's called deflection.

Lindsyburnsy 08-05-2021 07:55 AM
How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikingjunior (Post 1983716)
Close the border.

MrZero 08-05-2021 07:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 1983917)
I don't believe you have to let people die, we have plenty of laws that require school children to be vaccinated. I do believe you can and should protect people from their own stupidity
I guess you are living in the wrong country . . . or maybe I am. 🤣🤣🤣

forebubba 08-05-2021 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by talonip (Post 1983990)
There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.
WOW JUST WOW
Where did you get this info?

lkagele 08-05-2021 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1983985)
Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?
You must be talking about the prior administration. From MSN, hardly a right wing leaning news organization, here's what is happening now.

Biden Admin. Relaunches ‘Catch and Release’ as Illegal Border Crossings Return to ‘Crisis’ Levels

The root cause is the US taxpayer is giving them free benefits.

Vermilion Villager 08-05-2021 08:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1983995)
How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.
Starting this week all immigrants are receiving vaccinations....:ho:

lkagele 08-05-2021 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1983988)
Why don't they continue on into Canada?
Because that border is closed.....

lkagele 08-05-2021 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1983989)
With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.
Welcome to the Free State of Florida. He is letting the parents decide. He doesn't want some unelected bureaucrat/union official making the decision of what's right or wrong for the parent's kids.

forebubba 08-05-2021 08:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1984002)
You must be talking about the prior administration. From MSN, hardly a right wing leaning news organization, here's what is happening now.

Biden Admin. Relaunches ‘Catch and Release’ as Illegal Border Crossings Return to ‘Crisis’ Levels

The root cause is the US taxpayer is giving them free benefits.
Look up June and July 2021. Was not past admin. What do they get for free?

Ski Bum 08-05-2021 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1983680)
That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh
Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

Boomer 08-05-2021 08:15 AM
Florida now:

12,408 Covid hospitalizations in Florida

135 children

School funding to be pulled for schools that require masks

Children being used as pawns

Bill14564 08-05-2021 08:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by talonip (Post 1983990)
There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.
More BS misinformation with absolutely nothing to back it up. The only believable number is the 98.5%.

You may not be living in fear but you are demonstrating that you are living in ignorance.

Bella6368 08-05-2021 08:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1983706)
It means exactly what it says. If someone is hospitalized with the flu he is much more likely to die than from Covid. Another example is Ebola which if hospitalized has a mortality rate of 40%. Since you quoted hospitalizations I thought it would be informative to know how likely one were to die if hospitalized.

—————- mortality if hospitalized—-
Common cold. 0%
Covid Delta………1%
Influenza………….7%
Ebola…………….. 40%

We have vaccines highly effective against Covid 95%+ but influenza vaccines are only 40% to 60% effective .
Many, many more people have been infected with Covid than the flu so the total number of death is higher this year. But the flu is more deadly.

Do your research, all those Covid numbers of death were unfounded. Did you know this?
Fraudulent PCR Tests EXPOSED! CDC Quietly Withdraws Emergency Use Authorization Due to Inability to Differentiate COVID-19 & Influenza. That's why the flu suddenly disappeared when Covid came on board. Fear mongering really works well.


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